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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:03 pm 
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sunset wrote:
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No my argument was if Jim s only concern was for womans safety he would be better and woman would be safer with more police on the streets.

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My other point was that he is using ladys Smiths quote out of context to suit his own agenda


You're problem is that you either can't read, or don't read.

That makes you stupid. And, dangerous, at least for those your greed disregards.

There is no case for restriction, whatever you fail to acknowledge. That's why you're in the minority. And why you are wrong.

I think it's time you grew up sunset.

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Stupid dangerous and greedy those comments tell me you have lost the argument

Jim if Edinburgh had no cap, i think there would still be the same amount of sexual assaults in Edinburgh per year


So, once again, if we allow your logic to prevail, rapists, perverts and pedophiles should be given the opportunity to work with children in social care, as long as there's enough police monitor their movements.

Do you understand what putting people at risk means? Oh and I'll give you a clue, it has nothing to do the amount of sexual assaults in Edinburgh each year. #-o


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:33 pm 
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Most markets are regulated to certain extent, but it's not supposed to work against the interests of potential investors. A free market mechanism works by allowing the market to find its own level. Where do you think plate "values" come from if not the artificial scarcity of plates? And it's that very same scarcity that makes the streets less safe for women to walk...

No one is claiming that rapists or perverts will simply disappear but putting more cops on the beat in order to keep taxi numbers down, is simply ridiculous.

The council is playing politics with peoples lives. It should be free market first and then policing. :-|


Therefore there is no such thing as a free market - Edinburgh in particular has not got a 'free taxi market' - its taxi fares are governed - its taxi vehicle choice is governed - it has restrictions on driver standards - so why not restrictions on vehicle numbers?

I dont accept what you say in respect of A free market mechanism works by allowing the market to find its own level because the market itself is already manipulated - by all manner of differing things including what I state above.

The values argument is neither here nor there unless people are wanting to leave or enter - the values certainly have nothing to do with rape crime.

You claim the council are playing politics by controlling numbers - yet you are not so daft not to recognise that deregulation is also playing politics. Governments and politicians are always involved with the 'free market' as are those who cite the 'free market' .

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:22 pm 
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Most markets are regulated to certain extent, but it's not supposed to work against the interests of potential investors. A free market mechanism works by allowing the market to find its own level. Where do you think plate "values" come from if not the artificial scarcity of plates? And it's that very same scarcity that makes the streets less safe for women to walk...

No one is claiming that rapists or perverts will simply disappear but putting more cops on the beat in order to keep taxi numbers down, is simply ridiculous.

The council is playing politics with peoples lives. It should be free market first and then policing. :-|


Therefore there is no such thing as a free market - Edinburgh in particular has not got a 'free taxi market' - its taxi fares are governed - its taxi vehicle choice is governed - it has restrictions on driver standards - so why not restrictions on vehicle numbers?

I dont accept what you say in respect of A free market mechanism works by allowing the market to find its own level because the market itself is already manipulated - by all manner of differing things including what I state above.

The values argument is neither here nor there unless people are wanting to leave or enter - the values certainly have nothing to do with rape crime.

You claim the council are playing politics by controlling numbers - yet you are not so daft not to recognise that deregulation is also playing politics. Governments and politicians are always involved with the 'free market' as are those who cite the 'free market' .


CC, the “economic crash” of 2008 never really happened due to the market not being allowed to crash/reset itself after the bubble burst. All governments did was to re-inflate the bubble by robbing the public through “austerity” measures. Four years on and nothing has been resolved, and now we are facing a market reset/crash. The likes of which the world has never seen before.

A free market is supposed to create conditions whereby the market is in a continual state of reset and free from government manipulation. And that's how we got in this mess in the first place. The Government did away with the Gold standard and created a fiat currency model based on nothing but debt and simply kept pumping money into the system.

What you are witnessing now is a pump and dumb scheme, whereby Governments keep re-inflating the market until the system crashes. And we are forced to return to a gold standard for printing money.

If the market is not allowed to work as a free market mechanism should, sooner or latter there's a major crash.

So yes, there is a free market mechanism that sets a market rate, it's just not being allowed to work.

I am sure you recognise the similarities with the taxi/ph trade. Oh and there's a big difference between regulation and manipulation.

As for your rape argument, what we are talking about is minimising the risk of rape and nothing else.


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:09 pm 
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Skull You say

No one is claiming that rapists or perverts will simply disappear but putting more cops on the beat in order to keep taxi numbers down, is simply ridiculous.

Putting more taxis on to deter rapists is ridiculous


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sunset wrote:
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No one is claiming that rapists or perverts will simply disappear but putting more cops on the beat in order to keep taxi numbers down, is simply ridiculous.

Putting more taxis on to deter rapists is ridiculous


How sad.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:15 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
sunset wrote:
Skull You say

No one is claiming that rapists or perverts will simply disappear but putting more cops on the beat in order to keep taxi numbers down, is simply ridiculous.

Putting more taxis on to deter rapists is ridiculous


How sad.

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How sad oh really do taxis catch or deter rapists


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:16 pm 
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Skull wrote:

I am sure you recognise the similarities with the taxi/ph trade. Oh and there's a big difference between regulation and manipulation.

As for your rape argument, what we are talking about is minimising the risk of rape and nothing else.


There is no such thing as a free market, as I previously stated, it is constantly being manipulated.

Taxis are little different, the market cannot be free - presumably to stop rapists.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:38 pm 
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sunset wrote:
Skull You say

No one is claiming that rapists or perverts will simply disappear but putting more cops on the beat in order to keep taxi numbers down, is simply ridiculous.

Putting more taxis on to deter rapists is ridiculous



No one said putting taxis on would "deter" rapists, we said it was about minimising the risk factor so rapists would have less of an opportunity to target women when trying to hail a cab.

It's a about risk to and nothing else.

Jim's right, your argument is a bit on the sad side. #-o


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:58 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
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I am sure you recognise the similarities with the taxi/ph trade. Oh and there's a big difference between regulation and manipulation.

As for your rape argument, what we are talking about is minimising the risk of rape and nothing else.


There is no such thing as a free market, as I previously stated, it is constantly being manipulated.

Taxis are little different, the market cannot be free - presumably to stop rapists.


A free market is merely a mechanism whereby the rate for certain items sets itself without interference or manipulation. Free from insider trading and the likes. To say there is no such thing as a free market, is complete bollocks. I have a market up the road from me, which operates on exactly that principle. :-|

As for rapists, it's simply about risk, if the market for a taxi is artificially restricted the risk is greater because women are forced to walk the streets. :-| Simples #-o


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:04 pm 
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Skull wrote:

A free market is merely a mechanism whereby the rate for certain items sets itself without interference or manipulation. Free from insider trading and the likes. To say there is no such thing as a free market, is complete bollocks. I have a market up the road from me, which operates on exactly that principle. :-|

As for rapists, it's simply about risk, if the market for a taxi is artificially restricted the risk is greater because women are forced to walk the streets. :-| Simples #-o



I disagree entirely :wink:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 6:05 pm 
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I think its really sad for a grown man to use something as serious and disturbing as rape to further there own campaign which in Jims case is de-resrict Edinburgh


In his own words his Only concern is womans safety. what a load of tosh


Im not sure a person could get much lower, really really sad


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:39 pm 
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Astounded by the professionalism of the two police officers who called tonight. They had clearly been well-schooled in all matters Trolling. And the 5 page document detailing the crime reported.

They brought me up to speed. Seems since the Stephen Lawrence (R.I.P.) case, the whole dynamic of police response to hate crimes has been changed forever. The authorities are now taking such matters extremely seriously. I was impressed by the procedures explained to me.

How fortunate then to have Lothian and Borders police officers dealing with the case who not only understand the new dynamic, but have personal experience of dealing with such crimes.

Both officers are now fully up to speed with the background to the case. How I've been subjected to malicious phone calls at all times of the day and night, how my family has been threatened and how I've been ostracised by the taxi trade for having the temerity to want the same conditions for taxi licensing in Edinburgh which exist in the overwhelming majority of local authorities in the UK.

The detail of the torn casualty moniker, and its anagram meaning, was particularly of interest. I'm just chuffed there is no anonymity on the internet.

Of course the finger is pointed at Travis Bickle. But then the route to him is through Alan Gladstone. I'm now charged to produce a list of other miscreants.

I'm grateful that the officers have reassured me that this matter is going to be fully investigated. In the public interest of course.

Looks like the coconut tree is being shaken.

BTW I love coconut.

And I hope you are all having as good a day as I've had.

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Sounds like someone is going get a dose of squeaky bum time when the coppers give him a knock.

As for De-restriction it doesn't work, that's all I'm saying on the matter.


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There is no such thing as a free market, as I previously stated, it is constantly being manipulated.

I think the LC are doing their best to create a free market.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:56 pm 
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I think the LC are doing their best to create a free market.


yeah, one with very few standards :sad:

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:06 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Skull wrote:

A free market is merely a mechanism whereby the rate for certain items sets itself without interference or manipulation. Free from insider trading and the likes. To say there is no such thing as a free market, is complete bollocks. I have a market up the road from me, which operates on exactly that principle. :-|

As for rapists, it's simply about risk, if the market for a taxi is artificially restricted the risk is greater because women are forced to walk the streets. :-| Simples #-o



I disagree entirely :wink:


Anyhoo, the free market concept is more about the principle than practice. That's why governments should butt the fu*k out, and let the mechanism do it's job. Then the world might not be heading for the abyss. :shock:


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