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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:28 am 
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Agree with a lot you say. One interesting point, by law any company, even for self employed, has to guarantee that earnings for hours worked will equate to or above minimum wage. There is, I feel, a case for this not being achievable on a standard hour week of 37 hours. Food for thought.


The base would only need ONE driver to state they COULD earn the NMW for a case to fall apart

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 9:40 am 
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The estimated rates the guy quotes above equate to £5 per hour for one lot, and £6.25 for the one that included night rate.

This is a message I've tried to get across in other posts on here and elsewhere. If ANY cabby, hack or ph done his sums right, he'd be surprised at how little per hour they actually earn.

The proprietors know this and know that a lot(not everyone I hasten to add) do the job because they are possibly desperate to get ANY work or unable to grasp the nettle and go properly self-employed. luckily where I am there are no big forms, all small one or two car operations, but even some of those haven't got a clue about costings! Maybe I'llk start a separate thread on that when I get time.


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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:21 am 
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I wish they had started this group two years ago, so the LC could see what is meant by PH driving serfs!!

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:45 am 
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I wish they had started this group two years ago, so the LC could see what is meant by PH driving serfs!!


The last time somebody tried to rebel against Satellite the ring leaders were either employed in the office or asked to hand their sets back to the office :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 12:41 pm 
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The estimated rates the guy quotes above equate to £5 per hour for one lot, and £6.25 for the one that included night rate.

This is a message I've tried to get across in other posts on here and elsewhere. If ANY cabby, hack or ph done his sums right, he'd be surprised at how little per hour they actually earn.

The proprietors know this and know that a lot(not everyone I hasten to add) do the job because they are possibly desperate to get ANY work or unable to grasp the nettle and go properly self-employed. luckily where I am there are no big forms, all small one or two car operations, but even some of those haven't got a clue about costings! Maybe I'llk start a separate thread on that when I get time.

I had a driver from another company ask me for a job recently. She told me that the other company made it so that all drivers earned the minimum wage. I asked how they did it and I could not believe the answer.
Basically they were told to work out how much they took home and divide this by the minimum wage and the answer would be the number of hours that had been worked. They were also using the wrong rate for the minimum wage.
This driver was saying that she was working around 16 hours a week but she was in fact working 50 hours per week.

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
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The estimated rates the guy quotes above equate to £5 per hour for one lot, and £6.25 for the one that included night rate.

This is a message I've tried to get across in other posts on here and elsewhere. If ANY cabby, hack or ph done his sums right, he'd be surprised at how little per hour they actually earn.

The proprietors know this and know that a lot(not everyone I hasten to add) do the job because they are possibly desperate to get ANY work or unable to grasp the nettle and go properly self-employed. luckily where I am there are no big forms, all small one or two car operations, but even some of those haven't got a clue about costings! Maybe I'llk start a separate thread on that when I get time.

I had a driver from another company ask me for a job recently. She told me that the other company made it so that all drivers earned the minimum wage. I asked how they did it and I could not believe the answer.
Basically they were told to work out how much they took home and divide this by the minimum wage and the answer would be the number of hours that had been worked. They were also using the wrong rate for the minimum wage.
This driver was saying that she was working around 16 hours a week but she was in fact working 50 hours per week.


and someone "self employed", with a "business brain" fell for that?

can you blame a base-baron for cashing in on them?

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
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If the drivers had half a brain, they'd be claiming Working Tax Credit as well.


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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
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If the drivers had half a brain, they'd be claiming Working Tax Credit as well.


They probably are but they shouldn't have to. These companies make millions and drivers have to claim benefits, something ain't right :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
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If the drivers had half a brain, they'd be claiming Working Tax Credit as well.


They probably are but they shouldn't have to. These companies make millions and drivers have to claim benefits, something ain't right :wink:


=D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

Also make you wonder what they're going to do when this government is finished cutting benefits. :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 5:03 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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and someone "self employed", with a "business brain" fell for that?

can you blame a base-baron for cashing in on them?

Some people will believe anything that they are told.

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
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roythebus wrote:
If the drivers had half a brain, they'd be claiming Working Tax Credit as well.


and housing benefit..........

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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If the drivers had half a brain, they'd be claiming Working Tax Credit as well.


and housing benefit..........


That's not the bloody point is it ffs. Drivers shouldn't have to be claiming benefits when they're throwing the hours in these guys do. I don't work for this firm and always vowed I'd jack it in before I ever had to. I do pick punters up who say they've rang Satellite first but couldn't get any answer. With over 300 drivers paying £103 per week one begs the question why the customers can't get an answer.

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
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...makes an annual turnover of £1,606,800 at least! I bet the owners don't need to claim benefits!


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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
PostPosted: Wed Oct 10, 2012 11:20 pm 
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...makes an annual turnover of £1,606,800 at least! I bet the owners don't need to claim benefits!


That's just one side of the company the other two sides are Davy Liver in Liverpool and Cabfind :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Unhappy Drivers
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...makes an annual turnover of £1,606,800 at least! I bet the owners don't need to claim benefits!


well, funny you should say that

consider that it may be a ltd company, the directors could pay themselves £100 a week PAYE and claim WFTC, HB, etc, etc, all 100% legally

you only need to know the law

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