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If a survey had found unmet demand, then I would look at the data showing it, and hope they understated the SUD.

But in the end, I think all SUD surveys are a waste of time and money, because IMHO they are there only to allow weak councillors of the hook.

But as I had Liverpool down as the last council to de-limit, the survey doesn't surprise me one bit. Bit of the 'he who pays the piper' senario.

But you would have thought they would have got a proper one for their money.

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IDFIMH

what was the cost of the liverpool survey?

Captain cab

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[quote="captain cab"]what was the cost of the liverpool survey?

Captain cab[/quote

not 3,000,000...........mr T....

lol I like the way Jacobs moan about their equipment being damaged, I heard their car had its wheels & stereo stolen

(that was a joke!!!!!)

hehe

Captain cab

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YES...but he had it replaced with a brand new (rolls)

mr T...

The councillors decided to keep the tenders confidential, unlike most other councils.

As I said, well iffy.

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IDFIMH

well sussex do your duty under the FIA

Captain cab

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Why if this jacobs survey is true does, my wife have to go into liverpool city centre , to collect my son and daughter on a friday and saturday night s. I think some one is taking the p---- Thats when it matters thats when the violence and vandleism occurs .when people are milling about, waiting hours to get home . In the survey it said that 24 hour drinking would put an end to the waiting times for taxis there have been no new, applications for late night drinks licences . Its the same old story the council is more concerned about not upsetting the fleet owners ,than law and order . and the young people of liverpool, getting ripped of by cherry pickers.

In the words of the Mark Royden's of this world "Liverpool was a done deal".

Pendulums have a habit of swinging the other way, in the case of Liverpool the policy came first and the public came a very poor second. Jacobs was an end to a means. First a council decides on a policy, then it conducts a survey to legally support that policy. That has always been the case in most restricted authorities that wish to retain numbers control. It is of course down to each individual authority to determine what is best for the public they represent, so I'm afraid even though you feel denied a decent Taxi service by Liverpool Council, they have ultimately decided the service is adequate and you don't need anymore Taxis. Therefore you are not entitled to a better service.

Regards

JD

The most bizarre thing about the Jacobs survey is they never define significant unmet demand.

How the hell can a survey be considered fair and resonable, if those doing it don't know what they are looking for?

Still as JD says, the policy came before the info to back it up. But at least the likes of the T&G support all those people with 50/60/70/80 plates.

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I agree there are some very dodgy caracters, owning plates in liverpool . Pity the survey , did not investigate why plates in liverpool . have gone from 13000- 50.000 pounds in 8 years . It is it an increase in work . No is it an alliance of people, who like alL capone realise if you corner a market . . Have a council regulating it, who dont know the time of day . Have people desperate for work . You can get a plate with ill gotten means. sit on your back side while some one ellse does the work . make a packet . and have all kinds of miss guided people, rush to your defence when any one even sugests de limiting . I am off to join a privete hire company in the city centre , thats strange there s not one taxi office in liverpool city centre . Wonder why !

Obviously everyone will know that I don't like restricted numbers, but there's just something about the Liverpool set up in particular that I like even less.

I couldn't believe the Jacobs figures which said that most of the taxis are not owner-driven.

It just goes to show that the people who say that de-restriction favours fleet owners should take a look at what restricted numbers does.

After all, it's not many people who can raise the finance of £50k required to put a decent cab on the road in Liverpool, so obviously only those with the financial muscle can do so.

And three quarters of the drivers are jockeying and paying through the nose to justify the plate holder's 'investment'.

In fact I'm very surprised that Jacobs included those figures, since they don't seem to be the kind of stats that help the restricted numbers case.

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I have briefly glanced through the Jacobs report but now it is up on the site I'll take some time digesting it.

Regards

JD

I haven't read it either John, but I did have a look at the driver and owners stats for the recent article I did.

Even these are very interesting, and some time can be spent analysing them.

For example, there are 1,417 HCs, and 2,672 HC drivers.

The report states:

"Enforcement staff engaged in the meter seal and tariff review in November 2004 found that 53% of the fleet are double shifted vehicles. This concurs with a sample of vehicles examined by Jacobs, which suggested that 57% of vehicles are double shifted."

If we take the mid-point of 55%, then this means that around 780 vehicles are doubled, amounting to 1,560 drivers.

This apparently leaves 636 singled vehicles (ignoring one that is tripled!), but 1,112 drivers that don't drive a doubled vehicle - so if 636 drive one of these, then that leaves 476 drivers without a home.

Now I know that some badged drivers won't actually drive, but nearly 500?

Or am I missing something?

I wonder how they actually went about surveying this? I'm quite sure a lot of owners would not exactly be upfront about how many drivers they have on their vehicles, and might this account for the discrepancy?

(By the way, I'm assuming that the percentages refer to HCs only, although my assumption is based on the references to meter seal and tariff review, but it doesn't actually say that the figures refer to HC vehicles. The reason its a bit unclear is that the foregoing paras refer to both trades, so it seems a bit strange that the para in question doesn't actually explicity state which sector the are referring to, or whether they are combined trade figures, hence my assumption).

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Another interesting comparison is that over 60% of PH drivers own an (unrestricted) vehicle, whereas only 26% of HC drivers own a (restricted) vehicle.

Don't the T&G keep trying to tell us that restricted numbers benefit the little man, but derestriction benefits the fleets?

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