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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:20 pm 
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sasha wrote:
So they (currently) are not either private hire or hackney carriages - so they don't need a licence then ?

So why don't they just put them on without any licence, as one is not needed because you only need a licence for PH and HC vehicles and these are neither !!

You need a vehicle licence if you are going to carry passengers for hire or reward. The vehicle used for this purpose must fit the criteria for the type of work. If the vehicle does not fit the criteria, it can't be used.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:37 pm 
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Committee chairman Colin Cook said: “I’m not particularly keen to see officers expending a fair amount of effort going down a route which may not even come to pass.”

All they have to do is change their PH vehicle licensing conditions, could be done in two months.

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sasha wrote:
So they (currently) are not either private hire or hackney carriages - so they don't need a licence then ?

They have to be one to do any picking up, be that off the road or the radio.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 6:40 pm 
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So they (currently) are not either private hire or hackney carriages - so they don't need a licence then ?

They have to be one to do any picking up, be that off the road or the radio.

Unless they are left hand drive in Leicester. They will tell you if you ask them that left hand drive vehicles don't need a licence. :roll:

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 19, 2012 9:47 pm 
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They will tell you if you ask them that . :roll:


Shouldn't that be "left hand drive vehicles can't get a licence"?

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 10:01 am 
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They will tell you if you ask them that . :roll:


Shouldn't that be "left hand drive vehicles can't get a licence"?

No, They say that left hand drive vehicles don't need a licence. This goes back to my stretched limo days. There were complaints about unlicenced limos working in the city. I rang the council to ask why they were not licenced and was told that they didn't need to be because they were left hand drive. I followed this up with what I considered to be a stupid question. And said "so if I bring in a fleet of left hand drive cars and use them for hire and reward in Leicester, I don't need to licence them?" and the answer was no, they don't need a licence. :roll:

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grandad wrote:
They will tell you if you ask them that . :roll:


Shouldn't that be "left hand drive vehicles can't get a licence"?

No, They say that left hand drive vehicles don't need a licence. This goes back to my stretched limo days. There were complaints about unlicenced limos working in the city. I rang the council to ask why they were not licenced and was told that they didn't need to be because they were left hand drive. I followed this up with what I considered to be a stupid question. And said "so if I bring in a fleet of left hand drive cars and use them for hire and reward in Leicester, I don't need to licence them?" and the answer was no, they don't need a licence. :roll:


Plonkers :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 4:17 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
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So they (currently) are not either private hire or hackney carriages - so they don't need a licence then ?

They have to be one to do any picking up, be that off the road or the radio.

But they don't need a PH licence because they're not PH, and they don't need a HC licence because they aren't HC either !

What offence would they commit if they did go out on the streets and start working ? The only one would be not having a licence, but as only PH and HC need licences, of which these are neither then does it not follow that they don't need a licence ? You can't be un-licensed if no licence exists to get ! :?


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:11 pm 
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What offence would they commit if they did go out on the streets and start working ? The only one would be not having a licence, but as only PH and HC need licences, of which these are neither then does it not follow that they don't need a licence ? You can't be un-licensed if no licence exists to get ! :?

But a license does exist, it's just that these vehicles don't meet the criteria.

If we followed your logic then anything not meeting the licensing requirements would not need a license. #-o

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:27 pm 
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Surely they couldnt go out to work because they wouldnt be insured for taxi/ph work.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:56 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
But a license does exist, it's just that these vehicles don't meet the criteria.

Precisely, they are not PH or HC so don't need a PH/HC licence.
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If we followed your logic then anything not meeting the licensing requirements would not need a license. #-o

They dont. A nightclub doesn't need a taxi licence because it's not a PH/HC vehicle, a taxi doesn't need a drinks licence because it's not a pub. These vehicles may be not required to have a licence because there isn't a category you can issue one under.

Not argueing just debating :-|


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 5:08 pm 
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Surely they couldnt go out to work because they wouldnt be insured for taxi/ph work.

Does a vehicle have to be licenced as a PH/HC before it can be insured for hire and reward, in fact do they need hire and reward if it's only available for PH/HC vehicles ? If it can't be licenced (because it's not a PH/HC vehicle) then do they need any more than a standard policy ?


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:06 pm 
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sasha wrote:
Sussex wrote:
But a license does exist, it's just that these vehicles don't meet the criteria.

Precisely, they are not PH or HC so don't need a PH/HC licence.
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If we followed your logic then anything not meeting the licensing requirements would not need a license. #-o

They dont. A nightclub doesn't need a taxi licence because it's not a PH/HC vehicle, a taxi doesn't need a drinks licence because it's not a pub. These vehicles may be not required to have a licence because there isn't a category you can issue one under.

Not argueing just debating :-|


So if I get a fleet of Reliant Robins, I won't need a licence, I can just hire anyone to drive them?

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 6:23 pm 
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sasha wrote:
Not argueing just debating :-|

I'm well aware your not arguing. :wink:

What the laws state is that only a licensed taxi/PH can do licensed taxi/PH work.

Anything other than a taxi/PH doing taxi/PH work is acting outside of the law.

The mere fact that a vehicle doesn't meet local licensing criteria is irrelevant, it still can't do taxi/PH work.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 8:30 pm 
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Sussex wrote:
sasha wrote:
Not argueing just debating :-|

I'm well aware your not arguing. :wink:

What the laws state is that only a licensed taxi/PH can do licensed taxi/PH work.

Anything other than a taxi/PH doing taxi/PH work is acting outside of the law.

The mere fact that a vehicle doesn't meet local licensing criteria is irrelevant, it still can't do taxi/PH work.



So in other words as there is no licence category for them, they can work without hindrance if they wish until a court says either way


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