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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 10:03 pm 
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Thought as much, the little tartan people of Scotland, actually believe their politicians care. #-o :lol:


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Gusmac, I am sure wee Eck and big Kenny, struggle to sleep at night, worrying about the people of Scotland. You do believe that don't you, or why would you give them your support? #-o :lol:


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Now why don't you have another pint and chill out? Just don't drive home :badgrin:

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Gusmac, I am sure wee Eck and big Kenny, struggle to sleep at night, worrying about the little tartan people of Scotland. You do believe that don't you, or why would you give them your support?

The SNP, the party that cares.... #-o :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2012 11:14 pm 
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By ALASTAIR DALTON
The Scotsman Friday 2 November 2012 18:00

MSPs have voted overwhelmingly to back the Scottish Government’s plan to cut the drink-drive limit.

The limit is now expected to be lowered from the current UK-wide level of 80mg of alcohol to 50mg following a consultation that ends on 29 November.

The SNP’s quest for greater powers to tackle drink-driving – such as a lower limit for young and novice drivers, and random testing – also won support from Labour at Holyrood yesterday.

MSPs voted by 100 to 12 in favour of changing the limit and seeking powers to implement additional measures, as an Ipsos Mori poll showed 70 per cent of Scots backed cutting the limit, with 25 per cent opposed. Justice secretary Kenny MacAskill suggested up to half the average 30 deaths a year caused by drink-driving could be saved if the limit was reduced.

He said: “The people of Scotland are fed-up with drink-drivers and their poor excuses. It is both remarkable and tragic that a significant minority of drivers still ignore the warnings.

“We believe the current limit has had its day. The time is right for a change that will bring Scotland in line with the vast majority of Europe.

“If you look at the drink-driving limits across Europe, it is only the UK and Malta that have a legal alcohol concentration limit of 80mg of alcohol per 100ml of blood.” Holyrood was given powers to change the drink-drive and national speed limits in the recent Scotland Act, but not to introduce random testing.

Calling for additional powers, Mr MacAskill said: “We wanted a package of powers devolved that would allow us to consider whether the police should be able to carry out breath-testing on drivers any time, anywhere.

“We also called for powers to consider differential drink-driving limits, for example for young and novice drivers. And we also sought powers to change the penalties for drivers. None of these were considered by the UK government.”

The Scottish Government said it was not considering a zero limit because of the effect of food and medicines. But Aberdeenshire West SNP MSP Dennis Robertson said even the planned 50mg limit might be too high.

Labour justice spokesman Lewis Macdonald said he was “not, in principle, opposed to further devolution” of more drink-driving powers, and added that there was strong evidence that random testing could be effective.

He said random testing could be looked at in future, but cutting the drink-drive limit should be the priority.

Mr Macdonald’s Labour colleague Richard Simpson argued that any cut in the limit must be properly resourced by the government. He said that cutting the alcohol limit to 50mg was the “right limit at present to refresh the policy” and lead to a fall in drink-driving.

“We need more publicity,” said Mr Simpson. “We need a campaign, and not just at Christmas. We need proper enforcement of the laws, and I hope that that will indeed occur.

“Introducing a new drink-driving threshold without additional resources could seriously hamper any benefits.”

But Conservative transport spokesman Alex Johnstone said the lower limit could have “unintended consequences”.

He said: “The people who are drinking and driving and causing many of the accidents, injuries and deaths are people who are already two or three or five times over the legal limit as it stands today.”

Mr Johnstone said that reducing the limit could result in the police shifting their attention away from this group to others who could be just over any new drink-driving limit.

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the article doesnt appear to state what the european drink drive level is?

a quite bizarre omission.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 3:27 am 
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the article doesnt appear to state what the european drink drive level is?

a quite bizarre omission.


It varies a bit, but most of Europe use the same limit as has been proposed here.

    0.2 mg per ml– Estonia, Malta, Romania, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary
    0.3 mg per ml - Serbia. For a new drivers (with drivers licence for beginers), professional drivers, motorcycle drivers, there is zero tolerance
    0.2 mg per ml– Norway, Poland, Sweden
    0.4 mg per ml- Lithuania
    0.5 mg per ml- Belgium, Bulgaria, Denmark, Germany (Germany is 0.3 if you’re in an accident), Finland, France, Greece, Italy,
    Serbia/Montenegro, Croatia, Latvia, Macedonia, Netherlands, Austria, Portugal, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, Cyprus (North), Switzerland
    0.8 mg per ml– UK, Ireland, Luxembourg, Malta,
    0.2 mg per ml Cyprus (South)
http://www.safetravel.co.uk/europedrink ... imits.html

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gusmac wrote:
captain cab wrote:
the article doesnt appear to state what the european drink drive level is?

a quite bizarre omission.


It varies a bit, but most of Europe use the same limit as has been proposed here.



Exactly......it seems to me the scottish government have proved to be lacking in their explanation, and the press havent done a job that you managed in a few mouse clicks......end result no story.

However, if the scots change theirs and the rest of the UK dont? hmmm.....it would mean someone drinking beer in longtown would potentially leave a pub on his 1 mile journey home to Scotland sober by English standards.....but bladdered by Scottish standards?

The above, coupled with the omission of the euro figures tells me the scots government are playing games........and perhaps gary is right?

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Sorry CC, that's just bollocks.

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gusmac wrote:
Sorry CC, that's just bollocks.


really? you dont live on the border do you.

This story ran for a few weeks when the scottish government were considering minimum price levels for alcohol;

http://www.newsandstar.co.uk/features/b ... =features/

as for the different drink drive limit, the fact remains a person could be considered sober in England and drunk in Scotland.

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The same would hold true for someone driving onto the Train at Folkstone and getting off at Calais today. Are you saying that Europe should all adopt the same lax limit as the UK?

If your hypothetical Border dweller is driving home to Scotland, he should be well aware of the law in his homeland, surely?

If the press have failed to mention that the Scottish Government limit is in tune with most of Europe, that is what we have come to expect from them up here. Hardly the fault of anyone else.

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The same would hold true for someone driving onto the Train at Folkstone and getting off at Calais today. Are you saying that Europe should all adopt the same lax limit as the UK?

If your hypothetical Border dweller is driving home to Scotland, he should be well aware of the law in his homeland, surely?

If the press have failed to mention that the Scottish Government limit is in tune with most of Europe, that is what we have come to expect from them up here. Hardly the fault of anyone else.


the euro is in tune with most of europe :roll:

there's a distinct difference in crossing the channel, and you know it.

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captain cab wrote:

the euro is in tune with most of europe :roll:


Not as in tune as it once was :lol:

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there's a distinct difference in crossing the channel, and you know it.


Is there? Are the French more welcoming of drink drivers?
You can be in France in little more time than it takes you to drive across the Scottish border.
Your argument is weak, and you know it.

But here's a simple solution to your dilemma: DON'T DRIVE WHEN YOU'VE BEEN DRINKING.
Phone a taxi or have a bloody soft drink.
That way you won't fall foul of our laws. :D

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