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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:32 pm 
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Since your missing them, here's a couple of stories from the last two days. (No anonymous internet warriors though. Sorry :wink: )

Don't believe the leaders who've taken us for fuels

DESPITE the fact a secret report stated Scotland would become one of the world's richest nations thanks to oil, the country now faces more pain at the pumps.
The North Sea has given up a wealth of oil The North Sea has given up a wealth of oil

CAN we really be threatened with yet another pump price rise from the Westminster government?

We already pay the highest fuel and heating bills in Europe – despite being an energy-rich nation.

You need to go back to 1974 to understand why we are so powerless.

That’s when the British government commissioned a report on the then newly discovered North Sea oil and its economic implications for Scotland.

The document packed such a punch it was stamped “secret” and locked away for 30 years.

It was written by Professor Gavin McCrone against the backdrop of a rising SNP and growing support for independence.

Professor McCrone said an independent Scotland would be among the world’s richest nations, with a budget surplus so large it would be “embarrassing”.

The SNP at the time claimed that North Sea oil would earn £800million a year for the government by 1980.

McCrone said that forecast was “far too low”. Annual earnings would be more like £3billion.

He predicted that Scotland’s currency would be “the hardest in Europe” and this level of prosperity would continue “for a very long time into the future”. He also suggested England could borrow from its wealthier neighbour.

But the report was suppressed, independence was postponed and Scotland gave her oil wealth away for nothing.

The Labour government in 1974 ordered McCrone’s paper to be classified immediately. It was restricted in much the same way as top military secrets.

In the 30-odd years it lay in the vaults, £300billion of oil tax revenue flowed from Scotland to the Treasury.

All that time, Labour and Tory politicians told Scots they were too poor to run their own country.

They all kept schtum about McCrone, even during the Thatcher era when Scotland’s industry was devastated. Our oil revenue built the Channel Tunnel and bought nuclear weapons but our shipyards, steelworks and mines were run down. The oil revenue financed tax cuts for the rich financiers and property speculators of the south-east of England, while millions of workers languished on the dole.

All the while, we were told we’d be as poor as Bangladesh if we dared take our country back.

We didn’t know the secret McCrone report said we’d be as rich as Switzerland. Well, we know now. The report was finally uncovered in 2005 thanks to Freedom of Information Laws.

But it is not as widely publicised as it should be. This is a good time to remind ourselves of McCrone, and not just because of the rising cost of heating the house and filling up the car.

All energy matters remain regulated by London, from the behaviour of the profiteering power companies to the tax levied on the oil in our waters.

The UK government last week granted 167 new licences to firms keen to exploit those North Sea reserves. Despite what you might have been told, there’s plenty still there – and companies are queuing up to benefit.

Northern Lights, a Pricewaterhouse Coopers report published last year, reported that there was £376billion of value left in the North Sea over the next 40 years.

John Hayes, the energy minister, told an industry gathering: “The durability of oil production in the North Sea continues to confound expectations.”

It sure does.

Hayes’ Tory-led government raked in a record £13.4billion from Scotland’s oil and gas revenues last year alone.

They expect to gain about £61billion over the next five years.

But Scotland is denied access to this money, relying instead on a block grant from Westminster that is being cut by £10billion, putting terrible pressure on public services.

It’s beyond dispute that 90 per cent of the reserves lie in Scottish waters. Under international law, this would be ours if we were a sovereign state.

Since McCrone, Scotland has proved itself resourceful in building up new industries such as renewable energy and food exports.

Despite the theft of our oil, we are the most attractive place in the UK outside London to do business, according to surveys of companies.

Yet leaders of the Bitter Together No Campaign this week were peddling the “too poor” line once again.

The McCrone story tells us all we need to know about such people.
(read it here http://www.oilofscotland.org/Mccronerep ... Office.pdf )

Far from being guided by good old British fair play, these establishment figures will say anything to retain power and prestige.

So, next time a leading member of that establishment – Alistair Darling or David Cameron – attacks the SNP and independence, judge them by their deeds.

Ask yourself: Who has Scotland’s best interests at heart?

And who told us fibs for 30 years?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/opinion/ne ... es-1432960

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We can still love Indy music if we quit the UK


By ANDREW NICOLL
Published: 12th November 2012

WHEN former Chancellor Alistair Darling delivered the John P Mackintosh memorial lecture on Friday night, speaking in honour of a Labour MP who fought for devolution long before it was fashionable, he was on fertile ground.

Naturally, as the figurehead of the Better Together campaign, Mr Darling was bound to use his speech to bash the Nats and their plans for independence.

And he made some good and obvious points.

For example he pointed out that it is ludicrous for the Nats to claim that we would still be “British” after breaking up the UK.

The Irish, the ones in the south anyway, don’t think of themselves as British and would probably be pretty insulted if you called them British.

The Americans, the Indians, the Jamaicans, the Australians, the Maltese, all those countries great and small which opted for independence and somehow did not end up living in the Stone Age eating roots, none of them is “British” now.

But, that said, I think I must live in a very different world from the one that Alistair Darling inhabits.

In his speech, he warned of another looming danger of independence. Mr Darling said: “Apart from meaning that your friends in Wales, your family in England and your workmates from Northern Ireland will, effectively and overnight, become foreigners, independence also signals the loss of things that we so readily identify with and cherish.

“British music will no longer be our music. British art, dance and drama will no longer be ours. British sporting success will be someone else’s to celebrate.”

What can this mean?

Does it mean that when Mr Darling currently meets people from elsewhere in the world, his first thought is “I say! Seems a bit rum. There’s a touch of the Johnny Foreigner about this one!”

Does he think that people in Scotland who have English relatives would stop liking them quite as much after independence, sort of: “Well, he used to be my brother-in-law but now, he’s gone a bit foreign.” Maybe I’m alone in this but I don’t feel that way about French people or Greek people, so why would I feel that way about English people?

And the musical stuff is just bizarre. Scottish people would lose all claim to British music after independence.

“It will no longer be our music” Mr Darling said.

So, does that mean I can’t listen to the Beatles after independence? Or can I listen to them, so long as I don’t enjoy it or so long as it doesn’t mean anything to me?

I’m sorry, but that’s just bonkers. It’s like saying Frank Sinatra isn’t “our music” because he’s American, Tchaikovsky isn’t “our music” because he’s Russian and Mozart was an Austrian so he’s definitely not “our music”.

On the other hand Handel is currently “our music” because, although he was German, he lived in London. But his Messiah was first performed in Dublin. Maybe that means it used to be “our music” and then the Irish went independent so it stopped being “our music”.

What about Oscar Wilde? He was Irish. What about Spike Milligan? He was born in India and ended up Irish and Michael Bentine was Peruvian — that’s half the Goons gone already!

British art, dance and drama would cease to be ours, says Mr Darling. But, really, who thinks that way?

I understand why you might not like Picasso but is that because all his faces have both eyes on the same side of the nose or because he was Spanish? Would you admire Van Gogh’s sunflowers a little bit more if he had painted them in Ayr instead of Arles?

Do you look back to the ballet performances of Margot Fonteyn and curse inwardly because she danced with Nuryev who was obviously, deliberately and provocatively being a damned foreigner? Abba? Foreign rubbish! Sidney Devine? A fantastic, quality British performer! Bob Dylan? Boo, nasty foreign nonsense. Fran and Anna? Hurrah, British and proud!

It’s utter cobblers. Worse than that it’s based on a notion of Scotland that nobody — least of all a proud Scot like Alistair Darling — would recognise today. We’re not like that. We don’t judge people on whether they are “foreign”.

We don’t act like William McGonagall must be a better poet than William Shakespeare because Shakespeare was English and, therefore, he was obviously rubbish.

But somehow we’re supposed to believe that the midnight chimes would ring on the day of independence and we would all suddenly transform into Jock-Aye-The-Noo, See-You-Jimmy, little Scotlanders.

The Yes campaign is telling us that those magic bells will ring and nothing will change — except that Scotland will suddenly be transformed into an economic power house flowing with milk and honey and that’s rubbish.

But it’s just as silly to suggest that independence will stop us singing along to the Beatles — the way they do in Japan.

Whatever independence might mean, for good or ill, it won’t change the people we are.


Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/fe ... z2C8YXfT2f

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 9:47 pm 
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Gusmac would does it mean to be nat, can you explain it?

iv thought about and when you cut through all the bullshit and policy

what your left with is a boundary, a line in the sand saying i belong here and you there

and not much else really

for me i was born a scotish brit not some fictional scotish tartan thingy that never reli existed

Now what i mean is i have knowing nothing else so how can you, assuming your not 300 years old?


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And having read through the novels above

who is to say things would have and indeed will be any different in an independent scotland


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Sunset, you can't even spell Scottish. I doubt you would ever understand.

I'm also sure you didn't read Prof McCrone's report. If you had, you really couldn't have given it much thought.

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I gave it thought, but i asked the question to you

cant spell scottish well i can now

an other hand you will always be a fanny


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sunset wrote:

an other hand you will always be a fanny


Well thats about the level we've come to expect from your lot.

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I gave it thought, but i asked the question to you


And did all this high brow thinking come up with a credible reason why successive unionist governments conspired to keep this report secret?

It couldn't possibly be because it undermined decades of lies by the unionists could it?

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gusmac wrote:
sunset wrote:
I gave it thought, but i asked the question to you


And did all this high brow thinking come up with a credible reason why successive unionist governments conspired to keep this report secret?

It couldn't possibly be because it undermined decades of lies by the unionists could it?



Aye...Something the SNP would never stoop too doing... :lol: :lol: :lol:


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bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
sunset wrote:
I gave it thought, but i asked the question to you


And did all this high brow thinking come up with a credible reason why successive unionist governments conspired to keep this report secret?

It couldn't possibly be because it undermined decades of lies by the unionists could it?



Aye...Something the SNP would never stoop too doing... :lol: :lol: :lol:


Frankly, anything the SNP have been accused of pales into insignificance next to this.

British government commissions report into newly discovered North sea oil. Report says that an independent Scotland would be the wealthiest in Europe. British government stamps the report secret and hides it away for 30 years. Meanwhile British politicians, many of whom must have been well aware of the report's contents, spend every day between then and now telling anyone who will listen that Scotland is a basket case economy that could never survive on it's own. Some of them are still doing it today.

Why do you think this report was hidden from us bloodnock?
It wouldn't have been anything as underhand as cheating the Scots now would it? All those honourable members wouldn't do such a thing now, would they?

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What does it mean to be nat ??

Is it simply that you want to be ruled and governed by a scot

Are you loyal to the bonnie prince( a bit stupid I know but feck me lots of the nats are)

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sunset wrote:
What does it mean to be nat ??

Is it simply that you want to be ruled and governed by a scot

Are you loyal to the bonnie prince( a bit stupid I know but feck me lots of the nats are)


Are you really that thick?

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bloodnock wrote:
gusmac wrote:
sunset wrote:
I gave it thought, but i asked the question to you


And did all this high brow thinking come up with a credible reason why successive unionist governments conspired to keep this report secret?

It couldn't possibly be because it undermined decades of lies by the unionists could it?



Aye...Something the SNP would never stoop too doing... :lol: :lol: :lol:


Frankly, anything the SNP have been accused of pales into insignificance next to this.

British government commissions report into newly discovered North sea oil. Report says that an independent Scotland would be the wealthiest in Europe. British government stamps the report secret and hides it away for 30 years. Meanwhile British politicians, many of whom must have been well aware of the report's contents, spend every day between then and now telling anyone who will listen that Scotland is a basket case economy that could never survive on it's own. Some of them are still doing it today.

Why do you think this report was hidden from us bloodnock?
It wouldn't have been anything as underhand as cheating the Scots now would it? All those honourable members wouldn't do such a thing now, would they?

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gusmac wrote:
sunset wrote:
What does it mean to be nat ??

Is it simply that you want to be ruled and governed by a scot

Are you loyal to the bonnie prince( a bit stupid I know but feck me lots of the nats are)


Are you really that thick?



I was thinking the same about you


Well im guessing your reason is your just an anti English racist with a mac in his name a who has probably watched braveheart a
couple of times too much, who cant think for himself

Well Gus here is a wee bite to make you think again,provided by Mr Laird http://glasgowunihumanrights.blogspot.co.uk/


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sunset wrote:
gusmac wrote:
sunset wrote:
What does it mean to be nat ??

Is it simply that you want to be ruled and governed by a scot

Are you loyal to the bonnie prince( a bit stupid I know but feck me lots of the nats are)


Are you really that thick?



I was thinking the same about you


Well im guessing your reason is your just an anti English racist with a mac in his name a who has probably watched braveheart a
couple of times too much, who cant think for himself


You couldn't be further from the truth :lol:
I did wonder if you were just another sash wearing nuckle-dragger, but I wasn't going to get into personal attacks. I leave that to the no camp, since they have nothing else.

But since you're a great thinker, perhaps you could tell the good people of Scotland why the McCrone report was buried as a state secret and why unionist politicians lied to them for decades and continue to do so?

Or perhaps your inane intervention is just an attempt to deflect attention from the question?

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