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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:25 pm 
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Skull, you may be happy to have murderers, rapists, druggies and muggers given badges, most normal people may have concerns though


Who said anything about murderers, rapists, druggies and muggers driving taxis?

The truth is, you're a dickhead trying to justify your stupidity. You would hang yourself out to dry, and everyone else, for that matter, in some vain attempt to impress those you empower through your ignorance.


so you would advocate ignoring convictions?

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 12:17 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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Skull, you may be happy to have murderers, rapists, druggies and muggers given badges, most normal people may have concerns though


Who said anything about murderers, rapists, druggies and muggers driving taxis?

The truth is, you're a dickhead trying to justify your stupidity. You would hang yourself out to dry, and everyone else, for that matter, in some vain attempt to impress those you empower through your ignorance.


so you would advocate ignoring convictions?


More bullshit!

I never said convictions should be ignored either.

If you read my previous posts you will see I point, to the fact, there is no definition of what a "fit and proper person" actually is.

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Surely, only convictions directly relating to your ability to do your job should be used to deny a licence?

Think about it, any conviction, regardless how trivial, and your licence is potentially gone.

Where’s your criteria/standards/benchmarks or precedent used for deciding what constitutes “a fit and proper person" to hold a licence?
If you have one slip-up, a breach of the peace even, because of an argument with your neighbour, and it’s, good-bye licence?

You lot must be mad. You would have to be insane to agree to CRB, checks before first finding out how they would be used, and what a “fit and proper person” is in the first place.

Deary me… thick or what?




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Oh and another wee thought, how does maybe one or two minor incident's possibly years apart, establish a pattern of habitual criminal behaviour? Potentially, you could have carried thousands, if not tens of thousands of fares over many years without a problem, and then you get caught kicking the neighbour’s cat, or pi*sing at the side of the road after a night out, and you're up before the council:?


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Here’s another little nugget. What is it with taxi drivers, wanting to hand their local authorities their a*s on a silver platter? When it comes to regulating their trade? I just don’t get it. Any other industry would be seeking to protect themselves from these power-mad clowns, but not the taxi trade. Nae wonder your trade is fu*ked.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 10:53 am 
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Talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas. #-o

Surely, only convictions directly relating to your ability to do your job should be used to deny a licence?




like, er, honesty?....

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 16, 2012 9:04 pm 
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Talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas. #-o

Surely, only convictions directly relating to your ability to do your job should be used to deny a licence?




like, er, honesty?....


like,er, and your point?

Do you really believe Councillors to be truthful and honest, because I can tell you from experience, they are far from it?

Our Councillors here in Edinburgh were even caught cheating in their contributions to the honesty box money for their lunch. It was always coming up short. So much for being honest, and you would allow these scumbags to pass judgement on people without any controls.

You Wannabeeahack, are an Uncle Tom, who thinks it's his job to please his master.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 1:29 pm 
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Convictions (any) should impact on badges...why not?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:33 pm 
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I think the point is:

Are a bunch of bent politicians who know little about the job and care even less, the best people to decide who is or isn't fit and proper?

At the very least, they should be subject to the same standards they expect of others.

Matthew 7:1

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:15 pm 
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I think the point is:

Are a bunch of bent politicians who know little about the job and care even less, the best people to decide who is or isn't fit and proper?

At the very least, they should be subject to the same standards they expect of others.

Matthew 7:1


blame the electorate

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:55 pm 
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I think the point is:

Are a bunch of bent politicians who know little about the job and care even less, the best people to decide who is or isn't fit and proper?

At the very least, they should be subject to the same standards they expect of others.

Matthew 7:1


blame the electorate


May as well blame grass for being green :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:27 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Convictions (any) should impact on badges...why not?


Not all convictions are relevant to your ability to do your job. There are also the circumstances of the offence. Someone attacks you, and you defend yourself, but you end up getting charged and may be convicted. It's all there in the police report, your job is under threat but your attacker has nothing to worry about because he happens to be a joiner working for the council.

You might get pi*hed and arrested for a breach of the peace. How is this relevant to your job driving a taxi? Two separate incidents, and totally unrelated to your ability to do your job.

Oh and then you get caught speeding driving your private car, and once again, nothing to do with driving a taxi. It's complete nonsense to suggest that any of the above means you are a habitual offender and no longer a "fit and proper person" to drive a taxi.

There's also the credibility of those passing judgements. Are they impartial and objective when coming to a decision or are they motivated by their own political agendas?

Without criteria/standards/benchmarks or precedent for deciding what constitutes “a fit and proper person" in the first pace. They can make it up as they go along.

And you think this is a good idea? #-o


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Well personally would I employ anyone outlined below as a cabbie?.....no

A drunk done for breach of the peace and/or a speeder with points... Id take those quite seriously

one criteria should be "could this person GET a (1st) badge"

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You might get pi*hed and arrested for a breach of the peace.

you get caught speeding driving your private car

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Well personally would I employ anyone outlined below as a cabbie?.....no

A drunk done for breach of the peace and/or a speeder with points... Id take those quite seriously

one criteria should be "could this person GET a (1st) badge"

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You might get pi*hed and arrested for a breach of the peace.

you get caught speeding driving your private car


Wannabeeahack, this debate is not about what constitutes a” fit and proper person” or the treatment one might receive once having committed a minor offence.

This is about you telling everyone you are some sort of super cabby. “Look at me. I’m great, and why wouldn’t anyone want to be like me. It's a mystery.” I’m actually surprised that your local authority hasn’t signed you up as a Poster Boy for the cab trade. They could call you, The Perfect Cabby.

The truth is Wannabeeahack. You're just a dickhead. :-|


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:34 pm 
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Skull, i never said I was an angel but if i did what you outlined in your "examples" id deserve to lose my badge, drunk/breach of the peace/speeding.... you want em licensed? really?

or are they all like that in your neck of the woods? god help the kids in school taxi's....

BTW, can you debate with the pathetic name calling?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:40 pm 
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A Borough Hall spokesman said: “All licensing applications are judged on their individual merits. Between September 1 and October 31, 2012, five licensing 
applications were refused. Of these, four applicants were found to have been 
convicted of a violent offence and one applicant had failed the Basic English Assessment for such licensees and there were also two sexual offence allegations against the applicant.”


just WHAT is wrong with the above, pray tell?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:22 pm 
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A Borough Hall spokesman said: “All licensing applications are judged on their individual merits. Between September 1 and October 31, 2012, five licensing 
applications were refused. Of these, four applicants were found to have been 
convicted of a violent offence and one applicant had failed the Basic English Assessment for such licensees and there were also two sexual offence allegations against the applicant.”


just WHAT is wrong with the above, pray tell?


"All licensing applications are judged on their individual merits." Well, if I were judging you on your merits, I might think you were undeserving of a licence because you are obtuse. Does that sound fair enough to you, I am judging you on your individual merits after all? #-o


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Skull wrote:
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A Borough Hall spokesman said: “All licensing applications are judged on their individual merits. Between September 1 and October 31, 2012, five licensing 
applications were refused. Of these, four applicants were found to have been 
convicted of a violent offence and one applicant had failed the Basic English Assessment for such licensees and there were also two sexual offence allegations against the applicant.”


just WHAT is wrong with the above, pray tell?


"All licensing applications are judged on their individual merits." Well, if I were judging you on your merits, I might think you were undeserving of a licence because you are obtuse. Does that sound fair enough to you, I am judging you on your individual merits after all? #-o


just dont ask me to judge you skull....

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