Taxi Driver Online

It seems to have gone over my head lol

would you care to explain pls

http://lawcommission.justice.gov.uk/are ... rvices.htm

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errrrr ok so you feel obliged??

Im still at a loss, i think

The Law Commission for England & Wales are being persuaded that the taxi trade doesnt accept new technology - they are having it suggested to them that current law has not moved with the technology - therefore artificial barriers to entry and artificial boundaries (such as district borders) should be removed - all vehicles can work anywhere - operators can use vehicles and drivers licensed anywhere.

My argument has been the the above is a crock of sh*t - the cab trade has accepted and been all embracing of new technology........of course then I read some of the comments on here - which are also being read by the Law Commission - basically giving the impression that the taxi trade are luddites.

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I cant speak for any other area but in Edinburgh all modern day techs that are useful are being used

There is no point in using something if it has no real benefit or is not cost effective,

The app in my opinion will not work, its faceless, and the 1st busy weekend in Edinburgh it will fall flat, its a money making idea for the guy who is punting it and not some new super dupper idea that it going to transform taxi booking,

As i stated above unless this app transfers work from the PH then what is the benefit to the driver in Edinburgh

I have omitted the financial interest part from my earlier comments below and i think what i say pretty much sums it from an Edinburgh point of view


The point im making tho, if the customer is looking for a hack, in Edinburgh, they are still going to find it without this app.

As they do at the moment and without us paying a £1 for it

The guy stated this app was for hacks only

Iv already stated that this app might transfer some work from the radio companies to the street cars, but in theory when this happens it will leave more radio cars on the street, diluting the street work meaning we are paying a £1 for work we are already sharing

Unless this app brings in a mass of extra business that would have to mean a transfer of work from ph to the hacks then it not really going to make any difference to a drivers wage

The same amount of hack work shared with the same amount of drivers = the same amount of money , minus the£1 per job = less money

Unless it takes away work from the ph then we will as a whole be worse of

We would all be better putting a £1 or 2 in an organised kitty each week and start a prolonged advertising campaign



Of course i dont want the ph to take work from us but what is to stop them having a similar app

I see, so basically you're saying the system wont work in Edinburgh, despite it working across the world? Does this mean that the taxi trade has the situation all sown up? I very much doubt that - as I said a few posts ago - we have had Edinburgh drivers on here moaning about PH taking 'their' work.

I dont predict a lot of things - but this technology will finish the taxi trade if we ignore it and allow PH to take it on - it wont happen straight away - but the mobile phone has already changed things - in England the mobile phone is leading to a change in taxi law - how long before the same happens in Scotland?

Bearing in mind you have booking office licenses in Scotland, it could be suggested the taxi trade on radio circuits there are psuedo private hire anyway.

It'll never work is the usual call - We heard those calls about two way radios, then about data dispatch (which was derided as a gimmick).

As for a money making idea - perhaps you should read the article below and perhaps do a google on Addison Lee and find out how much work they get via their 'app'.

Incidentally, DELTA private hire from Merseyside have recently launched their own 'app' alongside Davy Liver, in the north east LA private hire from Newcastle upon Tyne.

http://www.davylivertaxis.co.uk/

http://www.nebusiness.co.uk/business-ne ... -31775967/

http://www.national-taxi-association.co.uk/?p=4393

Hailo Cab

This start-up has attracted funding from the investors behind Skype after starting up as a mobile community for drivers to share information and improve efficiency. Other London rivals include cab:app, Taxizapp, Get Taxi, London Taxi App and Taxi Square.

Cab My Taxi

A brand new start-up, this Manchester minnow has 10 private hire and 50 licensed drivers signed up to its app, but its Salford-based founder, Vladic Mitrovic, is keen to expand throughout the city.

Uber

A San Francisco start-up that offers limousine-like vehicles at the touch of a button. Operates in more than 20 cities around the world.

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So you think it will although you have never worked in Edinburgh,

My main point is will it transfer work from the PH to the hacks, will it give us more income because that was the main selling point of the app

It sounds like you are now saying we should all jump on it to stop the PH from doing it 1ST

Dont you think if the idea works that the PH wil have it anyway

Has it worked in every other city in England ?

It’s cold, wet and you’ve been shopping in town all day. There’s not a bus due for 25 minutes and spray from passing cars is soaking you to the bone. Your inner bank manager relents, you decide to treat yourself and raise your hand to try and hail a cab home. One ploughs by without spotting you, the next two already have passengers, then there’s nothing.
A few years ago you would have cursed under your breath and accepted a soggy wait. Not today. A few taps of your smartphone and a black cab comes around the corner, pulls up on the kerb in front of you, calls you by name and whisks your away.

Or

you could just call one like you have always done at the touch of a button


Ps you are giving the illusion that a taxi will appear instantly, when in reality if you called a company it will appear quicker on almost all occasions

The Law Commission issue concerns England and Wales Not Scotland as you know

Im in favour of APPS being integrated in to existing radio companies and yes its a great tool in our fight against the PH trade, 6 seaters are also having an impact, the growth of 6 seaters in Edinburgh over the last 2 years is huge, the only thing that we can do more of is embrace Discounts but we believe in Edinburgh there are 2 many short journey's and hey why should we discount a £5 fare to £4, we don't have too, its also down to our marketing stategy that we stay massivley ahead of the PH

We are due a white paper shortly and yes talks have taken place between the Scots Government and the Law Commission concerning all things Taxi/PH/Infiltration by Organised crime.

On the issue of APP companies like the ones we are debating, the ones who appear to be working outwith National/Local Licencing Laws, do you not feel concern about the safety of the driver and his data, the safety of the customer in that joining one of these rogue APP companies is wide open, the safety of the reputation of the black cab trade as a whole if something goes wrong and trust me something will go wrong, CC i could go on but the point is until these rogue companies fall in to line concerning the regulations we all have to operate under then there is no chance we the black cab trade should be giving these companies any kind of encouragement.

Ive sought an opinion on my concerns

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I have never worked in Edinburgh, although I have friends there who do - you didn't really answer my point in respect of how busy you are - although the point you make in respect of the app failing when its busy is broadly what happens with radio circuits now - when the ranks are busy - unless your going to tell me no edinburgh drivers switch their radios off?

I think it will transfer work from PH - not the middle aged to old aged customer - the students, teenage and 20 th 30 year old brigade.

Did you miss the following?

Since launching in January 2010, the Addison Lee free-to-download iPhone App has been installed over 70,000 times, totalling more than £10m in bookings.

http://realbusiness.co.uk/news/addison- ... p-bookings

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
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CC we already have the APP, but are against any other that works out with the terms and conditions of the booking office licence regulations.

As ive stated previously, London is London If you favour the demise of our taxi trade without a fight and are happy with using this kind of unregulated/Unlicenced APP then good luck, in Scotland we don't have to and have the right to question the legality of its use up here.

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Alway's been about Tightening the Grip!

I understand that its getting bookings but from a drivers point of view

if it is just going to transfer the work from the companies that exist now to the app the only one scoring is the app operator

I would be much more convinced if the app operator came out and said

This app will transfer work from the PH to the hacks and then go on to say how the app would achieve that

At the moment all i can see is us getting the same amount of work and paying our£1 for it

I was under the impression the cabapp system charged 50p per job - round here one radio circuit charges £92.50p per week single shifted - thats 185 jobs at 50p if it was worked out to compare to cabapp.

I was also under the impression the cab app system came with a credit card facility.

I cannot work out why you think the 'app' operator is the bad guy in all of this - in so far as I am aware - numerous edinburgh radio circuits have been maligned over the years - this system cuts out the middleman.

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cabb app is only 50p

time2taxi is£1

I dont think he is a bad guy, but as i keep saying paying a £1 for something we are all sharing dont add up to me

If it was going to bring the trade as a whole lots more work then yes bring it on

We already pay the stations, airports for customers that are ours i just dont see the point in paying for this app when we are getting the work already

Maybe he will come on himself and tell us how the app is going to attract work from the Ph and i mean work we normally would not have got

You are already paying for the work if you subscribe to a radio circuit.

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin