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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2005 5:42 pm 
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You mean its only unlawfull if someone decides to challenge Ribble Valley. Ribble can do what they wan't but if they wish to stave off a challenge they are going to have to have a survey.


or do a halton :wink:

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That was a typo (and I didn't type it out so blame the proof reader) however that ia just being bithchy because the piece states clearly that delimitation is the natural order the taxi trade has been deregulated/delimited since 1 jan 1986) and if a council is so minded to follow a limited numbers policy the onus is on them to justify it not the applicant. PS I've spelt January with a small j so you can say how twisted and how I distort the facs


We all make typos NDP, so I don't normally comment on them, indeed if I really wanted to be bitch I would have listed the punctuation errors, for example.

However, even though I did in fact assume that the error was just that rather than a misunderstanding of the law on your part, I did think it worth mentioning because it was fundamental in that it it entirely changed the meaning of the sentence; it wasn't just a wrongly spelt word or suchlike.

I'm not really sure how your reference to the other parts of the article rectifies this, after all the article was presumably aimed at those who did not know the score, in which case they would have been left very confused.

Was the error also in the print version, and, if so, was it corrected in the next edition, or did no one ever notice or bring it to your attention?

I'm not trying to be bitchy here as you allege, perhaps you're being a bit touchy?

When someone points out mistake of mine, as long as it's not nitpicking then I acknowledge it and move on, doing otherwise tends to dig a hole from which it is difficult to escape. :oops:

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Go and have a look at Liverpool 21 years after it re-regulated with ranks full to overflowing and drivers getting done by the minute.
They have a local authority court in Liverpool and you get prosecuted for " failing to proceed to the nearest available taxi rank" which is a £100 fine. This is the reason I'm against delimitation in certain areas obviously some ares wont be adversly affected by delimitation so I'm not totally oppossed to it but my aversion to it comes out of being a Liverpool hack and paying one too many failing to proceeds. And it was pressure from the chief constable that stopped the issue in Liverpool not 'vested interests'


So as regards the point I was making in another thread, if there's still such a shortage of rank space, why are the HC owners in Liverpool still complaining about a shortage of drivers?

Why did LCC last year attempt to help owners to recruit more drivers?

If I got a Liverpool brief would I be able to get a track, or whatever the terminology is in the 'pool?

I think the point is that all this stuff about a shortage of cab stands is just rank hypocrisy :lol:

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[I'd like to add that the long term affect of the delimitation policy was the rise of the multi-owners(which is consistant with any delimitation/deregulation policy, now if you want to rant and rave about any issue in the taxi trade it's multi-owners.


So are you saying that there would be even more multi-owners in Liverpool with de-limitation? Most taxis in the city are currenly owned by people with two plates or more, are you saying that would get worse?

I'm also interested in your comments in the article about multi-owners on the Wirral in that article referred to above (I realise it's a few years old now):

Firstly there is a significant body of evidence from around the world that it just doesn't work. Practically every deregulation has been re-regulated. This is why so many multi-Owners push for deregulation. This apparently contradictory stance appears to be a case of turkeys voting for Christmas.

For example our biggest multi-owner has 22 cabs, the current market value is £400,000, now the effect of an open issue would be to make the plates worthless, and an added bonus would be the loss of most of his drivers, as they would get there own cabs. But multi-owners can afford to play the long game, knowing the issue will be closed some time in the future they can then snap up plates for virtually nothing as people struggle in an over-supplied market. This would mean that our multi-owner would have considerably more than 22, and in the future anybody entering the trade would have to pay settle or buy in, the system deregulations are supposed to stop. This isn't theory by the way, this is how Gawith Manning, Kelly et al became the force they are today


Are you saying that Mr 22 Cabs was pressing for derestriction on the Wirral?

I just can't believe that there's any multi-owners in Liverpool who are pressing for derestriction, indeed I suspect it's totally the reverse, as per Joanne Connolly et al.

What about Mr Cummings (better watch the spelling here!) in Cardiff who controlled about a fifth (?) of the fleet, but went to court to stop the council derestricting?

But if you seem to think that restrictions help the fleet owners, who in turn you don't like I think, then surely it's your support for restrictions that is playing into their hands?

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What about Mr Cummings (better watch the spelling here!) in Cardiff who controlled about a fifth (?) of the fleet, but went to court to stop the council derestricting?


Wasnt that the guy who applied for licenses and when they wernt going to be issued to him and via a lottery instead, he suddenly decided issuing licenses was a bad idea.

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Wasnt that the guy who applied for licenses and when they wernt going to be issued to him and via a lottery instead, he suddenly decided issuing licenses was a bad idea.

He was the chap (although I believe it's still with the courts) who objected when the council had a lottery for plates, when he was number five and six on the waiting list. :shock:

Thus because he wanted those extra two plates, to accompany his 50, he challenged the council. Who in turn, bless them, decided to de-limit. :D

I wonder how popular he is with the rest of the Cardiff cab trade? :lol:

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This is unlawful read R v Reading ex p Egan

My reading of Reading doesn't agree with that.

The judge said that if a council cannot be sure of demand, then they must issue plates to any applicant. I don't know where he said that the council must issue no-more than a SUD survey says.

It had already been established that a council can do as it pleases, unless they restrict, then the minimum they must do is to adhere to a SUD survey.

If they want to issue more plates than a SUD survey says, then they can, and in fact many do. :wink:

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or the councillors of Brighton that had to issue 19 right away. But decided to issue 5 extra a year until they decide not to.




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JD[/lol or Ribble valley who thought it best not to survey and just go ahead and issue one plate per year until such time they deem otherwise.quote]

This is unlawful read R v Reading ex p Egan


I think it is you who needs to read the Reading case. We in here know the case law back to front. In fact I posed this question to you once before but you ran away and hid behind the Eastham fog. Well the fog is lifting and it's about time you stated case? Captain Cab put you up as an Expert, lets see the colour of your cloth.

Are you an expert or are you an impostor? On you past examples you give me the impression that you are the latter.

We have yet to see an expert analysis come from your Experts lips, perhaps you can give one on the Reading case.

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