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MR T
PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:28 pm 
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Just a little bit of information that you might like to store away for a rainy day..... last year Sefton provided vehicles for the enforcement team..... it was pointed out that they were using their own vehicles.... private cars.... that were not insured for Business....

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If I dropped off at Manchester and was approached by a Manchester LEO who wanted to check my vehicle I would ask him under what authority did he ask to check my vehicle. He would no doubt simply say that he was an LEO and I would reply that his LA did not license my vehicle and therefore had no authority. I would refer him to the first line of Section 68 of the 1976 Act:

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68 Fitness of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.

Any authorised officer of the council in question or any constable shall have power at all reasonable times to inspect...


I would then suggest that before his LA let him loose on enforcement duties they should provide adequate legal training first. I would suggest some reading material for him, starting with the 1847 and 1976 Acts, write these down on a page of my notebook, tear it out and hand it to him.


It is a matter of principle that abuses of power should be challenged.
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gusmac
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:05 pm 
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Steven Toy wrote:
If I dropped off at Manchester and was approached by a Manchester LEO who wanted to check my vehicle I would ask him under what authority did he ask to check my vehicle. He would no doubt simply say that he was an LEO and I would reply that his LA did not license my vehicle and therefore had no authority. I would refer him to the first line of Section 68 of the 1976 Act:

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68 Fitness of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.

Any authorised officer of the council in question or any constable shall have power at all reasonable times to inspect...


I would then suggest that before his LA let him loose on enforcement duties they should provide adequate legal training first. I would suggest some reading material for him, starting with the 1847 and 1976 Acts, write these down on a page of my notebook, tear it out and hand it to him.


It is a matter of principle that abuses of power should be challenged.


Around here the equivalent of your LEO is usually a serving police officer. :wink:

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Around here the equivalent of your LEO is usually a serving police officer.


who will still not have access to the 100+ LA area regs for the vehicles dropping off every hour, but will be happy to check MOT, Insurance, VED and (if hes quick) your tyres, mind you, if he runs every vehicle into an extra parking/dropping charge he will be popular with the airport, can you imagine the queue to get out while plod checks every PH and hack?.....

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gusmac
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Around here the equivalent of your LEO is usually a serving police officer.


who will still not have access to the 100+ LA area regs for the vehicles dropping off every hour, but will be happy to check MOT, Insurance, VED and (if hes quick) your tyres, mind you, if he runs every vehicle into an extra parking/dropping charge he will be popular with the airport, can you imagine the queue to get out while plod checks every PH and hack?.....


Irrelevant. He does have the power to inspect any taxi or PH. Whether he chooses to, or what chaos it might cause, is another matter.
so the "your not my LEO" approach would not work for any of you dropping off in this area, or any other area where the enforcement is done by a serving police officer.

BTW, any conditions etc are readily available from most councils' websites to anyone with a smartfone or laptop :wink:

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Gus, post again after youve been pulled by cops who knew the law, never mind the regs, how many seatbelt tickets have been issued to PH whilst loaded, and a few HC too....

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Gus, post again after youve been pulled by cops who knew the law, never mind the regs, how many seatbelt tickets have been issued to PH whilst loaded, and a few HC too....


Not sure what your problem is here.........maybe you just can't read what I've written........or maybe you have an inner need to be a tit all the time . :?

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THEY DO HAVE THE POWER TO INSPECT YOUR VEHICLE HERE or anywhere else where the LEO is a serving cop. No ifs, buts or maybes.
Their knowledge or ability is not the point here, only their power to inspect an out of area taxi or PH.
Quoting the first line of Section 68 of the 1976 Act would not stop them nor save your ass.

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Put it another way, if you were pulled by an out of area inspector, even though you're street legal with ph or hack plates etc., would you object to him pulling the next car which isn't street legal? You've seen cash change hands, you've seen a punter get in the car, but no ph or hack plates on display, you've seen the guy touting before... :evil:

If you're legal, why worry? Do you smoke in your car or something? Have bald tyres? Don't do routine servicing? Think yourself lucky you don't have to tangle with VOSA that often.
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Steven Toy
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Any constable is any constable. Any authorised officer of the council in question is an officer of the council who issued your HC/PH licence(s) and their jurisdiction is not limited to their district boundaries in respect to your vehicle.

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Steven Toy wrote:
Any constable is any constable. Any authorised officer of the council in question is an officer of the council who issued your HC/PH licence(s) and their jurisdiction is not limited to their district boundaries in respect to your vehicle.

Are you saying that licensing officers have powers to enforce their regulations outside of their licensing district? :?

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Sussex wrote:
Steven Toy wrote:
Any constable is any constable. Any authorised officer of the council in question is an officer of the council who issued your HC/PH licence(s) and their jurisdiction is not limited to their district boundaries in respect to your vehicle.

Are you saying that licensing officers have powers to enforce their regulations outside of their licensing district? :?


It looks like Stephen knows more than NALEO, the IOL & the Law Commission. =D>

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Steven Toy
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Sussex wrote:
Steven Toy wrote:
Any constable is any constable. Any authorised officer of the council in question is an officer of the council who issued your HC/PH licence(s) and their jurisdiction is not limited to their district boundaries in respect to your vehicle.

Are you saying that licensing officers have powers to enforce their regulations outside of their licensing district? :?


Yes.

Let's put it another way:

If you undertook a booking for a journey in a neighbouring district and you gave your passenger reason to make a complaint about your conduct, to which council should they address their conplaint?

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captain cab wrote:
Sussex wrote:
Steven Toy wrote:
Any constable is any constable. Any authorised officer of the council in question is an officer of the council who issued your HC/PH licence(s) and their jurisdiction is not limited to their district boundaries in respect to your vehicle.

Are you saying that licensing officers have powers to enforce their regulations outside of their licensing district? :?


It looks like Steven knows more than NALEO, the IOL & the Law Commission. =D>


If in doubt I ask Mr Schiller of Dennings LLP, Tipton.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:27 pm 
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Steven Toy wrote:

Yes.

Let's put it another way:

If you undertook a booking for a journey in a neighbouring district and you gave your passenger reason to make a complaint about your conduct, to which council should they address their conplaint?


That's a different thing to a licensing officer going into another area. :wink:

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Steven Toy
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It would be quite a fruitless exercise for LEOs to travel the country and do random checks to vehicles licensed by them of tyre tread depth and light bulbs but theoretically they could. A HC is always a HC even when outside of its controlled district and therefore still falls under the jurisdiction of the LEOs who license it.

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