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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:40 pm 
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But I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. :-k

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-s ... s-20664907


I'm curious. By what legal mechanism does Mr Barroso think I can be deprived of my EU citizenship?


I'm Guessing It's because some may vote to leave the United Kingdom and form a newly Independent state thus voting themselves right out of the EU and It's right of EU citizenship...and like all other EU Wannabees you would have to apply to Join and then be placed at the back of the queue and hope that every other country in the EU would vote for you to join their Obnoxious EU beaurocracy, and that could take up to ten years. And that's providing the People of Scotland would still want to be part of the EU anyway...let's be frank You cant foist the EU on the people of a country unless you get their permission first through a vote.

And to be honest, I can't see the Likes of Spain who are having their own issues with Independent Wannabees being to keen to promote Wee Ecks bid of Eurocracy for Scotland.

In a very odd Turn around of events it may Inspire the Scottish Eurosceptics to Vote For Indy just to Escape the dreaded EU whilst causing the Pro-Eurotrash Loving SNP to vote against Indy just to stay within their beloved EU Heaven.. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

What a Howk Ecks making of thing's...he should have been more honest from the outset, He's Now trying to tell the Whole of the EU leadership they are wrong and that he's right...yup, that help his cause. #-o


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I think most are reacting to 20 years + of anti Europe bullshit and most haven't considered the consequences of leaving Europe.


=D>

a useful political football Europe - with an unfair and biased media choosing to blame them for our own political failings - deflection is often the easiest response.

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I'm curious. By what legal mechanism does Mr Barroso think I can be deprived of my EU citizenship?


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I know you are. :lol:

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I'm curious. By what legal mechanism does Mr Barroso think I can be deprived of my EU citizenship?


I'm Guessing
I know you are. :lol:


I'm just being modest...it's a fact..you Vote Indy and you Vote for Leaving the EU by default, Mr Barosso who I loathe has made it perfectly clear.


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I think most are reacting to 20 years + of anti Europe bullshit and most haven't considered the consequences of leaving Europe.


=D>

a useful political football Europe - with an unfair and biased media choosing to blame them for our own political failings - deflection is often the easiest response.


Aye..it's a bad Job when you can only Deflect your countries political failings by hanging them up for Comparison with the even Bigger failings of the EU.

We'd do better to scrutinise and solve the UK's political failings rather than look at the much larger yet unsolvable failings such as those of the "Deaf to All" European union.

Britains Pre-Common market governments got things done, Now we can't do Anything for fear of falling fowl of the EU Parliament and it's laws. We're like Dogs being dragged along on a Leash to the Eurovet to be Castrated in the hope that it will Moderate our National Temperament and turn us all into loyal little EU Lapdogs. :?


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 4:04 pm 
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I'm just being modest...it's a fact..you Vote Indy and you Vote for Leaving the EU by default, Mr Barosso who I loathe has made it perfectly clear.


Actually he's made it about as clear as mud, which you would know if you had listened to the interview, instead of the British media's biased coverage of it. :roll:

Still, it should have the likes of you flocking to the YES campaign.
If you are right, it has to be a better bet for you EU haters than the vague rumours of a referendum eminating from Wasteminster and the Tories.

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I'm just being modest...it's a fact..you Vote Indy and you Vote for Leaving the EU by default, Mr Barosso who I loathe has made it perfectly clear.


Actually he's made it about as clear as mud, which you would know if you had listened to the interview, instead of the British media's biased coverage of it. :roll:

Still, it should have the likes of you flocking to the YES campaign.
If you are right, it has to be a better bet for you EU haters than the vague rumours of a referendum eminating from Wasteminster and the Tories.


Jose Manuel Barroso said: it was “obvious” that if one part of a member state, like the UK, became a separate country then it would have to apply to join the international club

We have three options here, It's either

A: Eck and Sturgeon are In Complete Denial of the Stated Facts.
B: They are to stupid to see the Facts as made Clear by the EU's main man
or
C: they Still think they can Lie and bluff their way out of the Inevitable loss of and Independent Scotlands EU Membership.

Chose any one of the Three options and you'd have to be a complete numpty to still have any faith left in that pair.


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Errrr...Like it's urgent now after Eck,s got a Gliff from the EU, but it wasn't urgent for the past 6 months until he got caught on the hop... :lol: :lol: :lol:


11 December 2012 Last updated at 07:55


Scottish referendum: EC urged to hold 'early talks' on independence



The Scottish government has written to the European Commission calling for "early talks" on the possibility of Scotland becoming independent.

The move comes in the wake of the EC president, Jose Manuel Barroso, saying a newly independent country would have to reapply to join the EU.

A commission spokesman said it had no comment to make on the letter sent by Deputy First Minister Nicola Sturgeon.

The Scottish government plans to hold an independence referendum in 2014.

It has always maintained that, in the event of a "yes" vote, Scotland would "quite clearly" remain part of the European Union and negotiations would take place "from within that context".

Responding to Mr Barroso's intervention - described by Prime Minister David Cameron as "significant" - Ms Sturgeon said the SNP government did not agree that an independent Scotland would have to reapply for European Union membership.

She said early talks were now being sought with the European Commission to discuss the specific process of Scotland becoming independent.

The EC confirmed that the letter had been received. A spokesman added that it had no comment to make at the moment, but a reply would be sent in due course.
Legal clarity

A letter from Mr Barroso to the House of Lords economic committee, which is examining the independence question, also confirmed his position that a new independent state would "become a third country with respect to the EU".

The president, in an interview with the BBC's Hardtalk programme, said the position was set out in clear legal terms.

He explained: "I did not comment on specific situations of member states because I very much respect that it is their right, their sovereign right to decide about their organisation.

"What I said, and it is our doctrine and it is clear since 2004 in legal terms, if one part of a country - I am not referring now to any specific one - wants to become an independent state, of course as an independent state it has to apply to the European membership according to the rules - that is obvious."

Meanwhile, Scotland's Finance Secretary John Swinney is expected to be asked about an independent Scotland's place in the EU when he appears before the Lords Economic Affairs Committee later.

He is also expected to answer questions about defence jobs and how the SNP expects national debt to be split if the people of Scotland vote for independence.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-20675705


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:15 pm 
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bloodnock wrote:
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I'm just being modest...it's a fact..you Vote Indy and you Vote for Leaving the EU by default, Mr Barosso who I loathe has made it perfectly clear.


Actually he's made it about as clear as mud, which you would know if you had listened to the interview, instead of the British media's biased coverage of it. :roll:

Still, it should have the likes of you flocking to the YES campaign.
If you are right, it has to be a better bet for you EU haters than the vague rumours of a referendum eminating from Wasteminster and the Tories.


Jose Manuel Barroso said: it was “obvious” that if one part of a member state, like the UK, became a separate country then it would have to apply to join the international club

We have three options here, It's either

A: Eck and Sturgeon are In Complete Denial of the Stated Facts.
B: They are to stupid to see the Facts as made Clear by the EU's main man
or
C: they Still think they can Lie and bluff their way out of the Inevitable loss of and Independent Scotlands EU Membership.

Chose any one of the Three options and you'd have to be a complete numpty to still have any faith left in that pair.


All very well, except for one inconvenient fact. That wasn't actually what he said and you having an orgasm over it, does not make it so.

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All very well, except for one inconvenient fact. That wasn't actually what he said and you having an orgasm over it, does not make it so.



Your being pedantic..but Its what he is saying none the less..

Mr Barosso clearly states "If one part of a country, and I’m not referring to anything specific, wants to become an independent state of course as an independent state it has to apply for European Union membership according to the rules."

When he was asked "that should a country such as Scotland choose independence? he answered

"then "for the EU purposes, from a legal point of view, it is certainly an new state... and has to negotiate with the European Union".

one way or another The EU is going to get its arse kicked out of Scotland, whether it be as an unwanted consequence of Independence or brought about in Scotland through a UK referendum..the EU is going to lose it's grip over us one day in the not to distant future. :badgrin: :badgrin:


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The SNP like anyone knows the Anti Euro campaign is growing in the UK as a whole, its political propaganda thats going on as far as, if Scotland does vote YES we would automatically as voters trigger a referendum on EU membership any way, The SNP are playing both sides of the fence but my feeling is and many others in the YES camp is we don't want to be a part of the EU, we have a massive amount of resources and ive seen for myself based on fact that Scotland is an energy hub, now who said that? YES David Cameron, although Alister Darling did disagree :lol: :lol: :lol:David Cameron was talking to Europeans whilst Alister was talking to the un-educated masses in promoting the no vote.

Don't doubt we dont have the tools to go it truely alone, we do :wink:


VOTE YES :D

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Don't doubt we dont have the tools to go it truely alone, we do :wink:



Of course you do. just you keep believing it. You will be telling us next that there is a monster in Loch Ness. :roll:

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Don't doubt we dont have the tools to go it truely alone, we do :wink:



Of course you do. just you keep believing it. You will be telling us next that there is a monster in Loch Ness. :roll:


That would be Sturgeon...


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The SNP like anyone knows the Anti Euro campaign is growing in the UK as a whole, its political propaganda thats going on as far as, if Scotland does vote YES we would automatically as voters trigger a referendum on EU membership any way, The SNP are playing both sides of the fence but my feeling is and many others in the YES camp is we don't want to be a part of the EU, we have a massive amount of resources and ive seen for myself based on fact that Scotland is an energy hub, now who said that? YES David Cameron, although Alister Darling did disagree :lol: :lol: :lol:David Cameron was talking to Europeans whilst Alister was talking to the un-educated masses in promoting the no vote.

Don't doubt we dont have the tools to go it truely alone, we do :wink:


VOTE YES :D


An energy hub...........!!!!!!! Half a Million bloody wind turbines is as much as Eck and his loony mates will allow us to use, God forbid we get a few of those Windless high pressure fronts sitting over us, It'll be dark and cold for weeks...Still,it'll keep eck and his cronies from being on Telly.


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All very well, except for one inconvenient fact. That wasn't actually what he said and you having an orgasm over it, does not make it so.



Your being pedantic..but Its what he is saying none the less..

Mr Barosso clearly states "If one part of a country, and I’m not referring to anything specific, wants to become an independent state of course as an independent state it has to apply for European Union membership according to the rules."

When he was asked "that should a country such as Scotland choose independence? he answered

"then "for the EU purposes, from a legal point of view, it is certainly an new state... and has to negotiate with the European Union".

one way or another The EU is going to get its arse kicked out of Scotland, whether it be as an unwanted consequence of Independence or brought about in Scotland through a UK referendum..the EU is going to lose it's grip over us one day in the not to distant future. :badgrin: :badgrin:


You should know better than to listen to Eurocratic double talk. Even more so, you shouldn't just focus on the bits that suit your cause.

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....For the elimination of any last remaining sliver of doubt, we decided the only sensible thing to do was get an official response from the European Commission itself. An alert reader dropped the Commission a line after the BBC interview went public:

“Scotland is a founder member of the United Kingdom, the two parliaments of England and Scotland were joined in 1707 by a Treaty between nation states. Scotland is not, therefore, a region of England or the UK becoming independent, but a signatory to the EU treaty through its partnership in the Union.

Is President Barroso therefore saying that Scotland is a “mere region” breaking away, or are the circumstances he outlined inapplicable in these circumstances?

Thank you for your time”

The reply arrived just before 7pm last night.

“The European Commission has not commented on a specific scenario – it will only give its legal opinion on a specific scenario, if requested to by a Member State (in this case, the UK Government).”

It doesn’t seem ambiguous, does it? It’s rather odd that so much of the UK media has somehow managed to arrive at such a markedly different – some might say just plain wrong – conclusion. We’re sure the misunderstanding will be cleared up soon.
http://wingsland.podgamer.com/the-thunder-of-guns/


Of course the UK government could clear all this up by requesting an opinion and making it public. One has to wonder why they haven't done so?

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