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PostPosted: Mon Dec 24, 2012 11:19 pm 
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The Labour party is positioned to the right of the SNP because that's where their researchers tell them the votes are.

Lamont has recently told us that any Labour administration would end free student tuition. because that's where the English middle class are supposed to be.

Labour are interested in votes. They've lost all pretence of representation of workers interests.

It's unlikely they will be reelected in Scotland.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2012 12:25 am 
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The Labour party is positioned to the right of the SNP because that's where their researchers tell them the votes are.

Lamont has recently told us that any Labour administration would end free student tuition. because that's where the English middle class are supposed to be.

Labour are interested in votes. They've lost all pretence of representation of workers interests.

It's unlikely they will be reelected in Scotland.


The Labour party is lost. They can't even remember what it was to fight for worker's rights. Tony Blair ended up to the right of Thatcher, so where the Labour party is, at today's date, is anyone's guess. :?

Lamont hasn't a fecking clue... #-o


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 12:47 am 
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What the Labour paerty needs is a working class saviour. Who understands the needs of the people and would fight for their rights.

problem is, the Labou rParty no longer has the structure to allow such a leader to flourish.

Which means that the Labour Party is no longer any sort of alternative.

And in the vacuum Blair created, workers rights are being eroded by all points of the political spectrum.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:56 am 
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Oh as for the broader issues such as going to War over WMDs, the public simply doesn't count. They do what they like. :-|


So are you saying that an Independent Scotland would have been involved in Blair's illegal war?

Are you saying that they wouldn't have been involved?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:24 am 
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gusmac wrote:
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Oh as for the broader issues such as going to War over WMDs, the public simply doesn't count. They do what they like. :-|


So are you saying that an Independent Scotland would have been involved in Blair's illegal war?

Are you saying that they wouldn't have been involved?

Yes.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:21 pm 
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grandad wrote:
gusmac wrote:
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Oh as for the broader issues such as going to War over WMDs, the public simply doesn't count. They do what they like. :-|


So are you saying that an Independent Scotland would have been involved in Blair's illegal war?

Are you saying that they wouldn't have been involved?


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No. What I am saying, is that the people of an Independent Scotland wouldn't have had more of a controlling influence over their political class, than the whole of Britain had over the Blair Government. The general public isn't part of the decision-making process, as they are not privileged to all the available information.


Gusmac, you don't know what the treaty would be, if Scotland were Independent. However, you can bet the public wouldn't be consulted. :-|


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Oh as for the broader issues such as going to War over WMDs, the public simply doesn't count. They do what they like. :-|


So are you saying that an Independent Scotland would have been involved in Blair's illegal war?



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No. What I am saying, is that the people of an Independent Scotland wouldn't have had more of a controlling influence over their political class, than the whole of Britain had over the Blair Government. The general public isn't part of the decision-making process, as they are not privileged to all the available information.


Gusmac, you don't know what the treaty would be, if Scotland were Independent. However, you can bet the public wouldn't be consulted. :-|


I know it wouldn't be "declare war on whomever the US says" - like it is at the moment.
It would be political suicide for any Scottish government.

IIRC Salmond opposed the was at the time and later called for Blair to be impeached.

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Listen, whatever Salmond's position, he lacked the support of the Scottish people and for the most part, still does. Oh and political suicide my ars*. Well, if that's the case, then independence is assured. #-o I don't know what you are worrying about. #-o

Get a grip man... #-o


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:00 pm 
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Listen, whatever Salmond's position, he lacked the support of the Scottish people and for the most part, still does.


You know what it tells me? He was right in 2003, even when it wasn't popular to oppose the war.
He saw through Blair and Bush's bullshit, and the media circus spin that went along with it.

You should get a grip.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:12 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
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Listen, whatever Salmond's position, he lacked the support of the Scottish people and for the most part, still does.


You know what it tells me? He was right in 2003, even when it wasn't popular to oppose the war.
He saw through Blair and Bush's bullshit, and the media circus spin that went along with it.

You should get a grip.


Listen, Salmond is playing the game like any of the rest of them but the fact is he lacked the support, just as he does now. Salmond would jump into bed with anyone, if he though, it served his political agenda, or perhaps we should start calling him Saint Salmond?


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2012 6:26 pm 
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Skull wrote:
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Listen, whatever Salmond's position, he lacked the support of the Scottish people and for the most part, still does.


You know what it tells me? He was right in 2003, even when it wasn't popular to oppose the war.
He saw through Blair and Bush's bullshit, and the media circus spin that went along with it.

You should get a grip.


Listen, Salmond is playing the game like any of the rest of them but the fact is he lacked the support, just as he does now. Salmond would jump into bed with anyone, if he though, it served his political agenda,


He was crucified for his opposition at the time. If support was that important, he'd have shut his face and backed it, just like so many others did.

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or perhaps we should start calling him Saint Salmond?


Thought he was a Jambo? :lol:

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Salmond will say anything that suites his political agenda, and beyond that, he doesn't care and you don't matter. :-|


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Salmond will say anything that suites his political agenda,


What politician doesn't?

The rest is just your opinion.

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gusmac wrote:
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Salmond will say anything that suites his political agenda,


What politician doesn't?

The rest is just your opinion.


What exactly is my opinion? :?


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Skull wrote:
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Salmond will say anything that suites his political agenda,


What politician doesn't?

The rest is just your opinion.


What exactly is my opinion? :?

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and beyond that, he doesn't care and you don't matter. :-|

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