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PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2013 2:38 am 
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Being more nimble the good lady was storing Christmas paraphernalia through the hatch to the attic. I was handing her the boxes.

So. she twist and turns, the ladders fall from beneath her and she lands full on her back astraddle the banister, I just catch her in time from falling down the stairs where she could potentially have broken her neck.

(message:- don't let those you love dice with risk.)

Got her down on the floor and called NHS 24. They called for an ambulance. Finally two arrived and the got her into a brace and down the stairs, and to the hospital.

That's the background. Thankfully Taylor squaw "Falls from the sky" is OK. She survived with minor bruising.

I should add that the whole NHS gig proved just how exceptional it is. =D> to all of them.

But, my point here is the degree of questioning by the Junior Doctor. Now don't get me wrong, he was only fulfilling his training, and he did it well.

Our situation was simple. It was an accident. We managed to avoid a real disaster.

But the questions I was asked required me to give a full and frank explanation, which I was happy to give. However, it now occurs to me that everything I said was being recorded. If there had been suspicious circumstances, or the authorities had wanted to construe same, I was giving up information which may have been used against me. Information imparted without any reference to my Human Rights, the right to silence, the right not to incriminate myself.

And this is how the system works.

Friday night I was parked on the Greenside "feeder" for the Mood rank awaiting the Playhouse to come out.

Now I realised the whole gig was ridiculous and and made to move on. To the point I had already moved the car a further half width out so as to make the manouevre safely, when a police car drew alongside, told me I was causing an obstruction and before I could move demanded I do so. Given he was parked alongside I asked him to move to allow me to do so. His response was an intimdatory "If you don't move I will do you for obstruction."

My response was to ask for his collar number, I do not, repeat NOT, accept this shecht from any police officer. I will NOT be intimidated because they have control over my licence. I was commanded to move so he could deal with me and I moved into the Lane where I was now causing an obstruction.

In short I was chastised for recording the event because I would be infringing the officers' human rights, was told I should be carrying my driving licence at all times, and that I was going to be charged, despite the fact other taxi drivers weren't and this was clearly an intimidatory response to my asking for their collar numbers.

Call to the computer about my ID and the charge was not made. A simple claim that me asking for their collar number was not on, because that's what real criminals do and my record shows that I have not had such problems with the police.

Fine. Charge disappears. I go on my way. But I was still never told what these officers' collar numbers were. This is a clear breach of my rights.

So the premise is: when we deal with the authorities they have every right to ignore our rights, yet we are not allowed to protect ourselves against them exercising their power over us.

I'm getting tooled up with video. And I'm going to record everything. Two cops against me in court, they lie and I'm stiffed. It's not going to happen. Mess with me and you're going Youtube. End of.

Be warned!!

BTW This is going to be subject to another police complaint. It will be my third. The second is the Mexican Standoff I had to endure with two officers in Loganlea Drive who deliberately drove into a chicane to prevent my passage. The female officer smirking when the arrogant driver refused to move. My passenger was appalled at their conduct.

Time to Google Moorov guys.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:27 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
BTW This is going to be subject to another police complaint. It will be my third. The second is the Mexican Standoff I had to endure with two officers in Loganlea Drive who deliberately drove into a chicane to prevent my passage. The female officer smirking when the arrogant driver refused to move. My passenger was appalled at their conduct.


Woke up this morning to a request to contact Robert in the taxi Examination Centre with regard to a complaint made against me by the two officers in the incident above.

I was expecting this because the officers knew I had asked for their collar numbers, and that I would make formal complaint against them. So they got in first.

I'll keep you posted.

BTW I have already tried to contact the cab inspector but the number is engaged. If they would care to call me back I'm available.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:25 pm 
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Police complaint formally lodged on Lothian and Borders Police comoputer 07/01/2013 - 14.25

7th January 2013

Dear Sir/madam

Re Officers: 5904 Male
11854 Female

Incident: 31st January circa 0100 hours.

I write to make formal complaint about the conduct of the two Lothians and Borders Police officers as detailed above.

I am a City of Edinburgh licensed taxi driver and was carrying a passenger to his destination in Loganlea Avenue. Proceeding along Loganlea Drive I arrived at the entrance to the chicane at the same time as the two officers who were driving Police vehicle SN61 FSS. Its emergency light was not engaged.

Entering the chicane I observed the Police vehicle now speeding up as if to deliberately cause me to stop. There being no possibility of passing each other because of parked cars on both sides of the road, and driving a bigger vehicle with passenger on board, I got out and approached the male officer driving. I asked whether in view of my larger vehicle size, and the greater degree of difficulty in reversing it, along with the fact I had a passenger on board whether he could reverse back to allow me to make progress. He point blank refused. I asked him again to confirm that his intention was for me to make the more difficult manoeuvre and placing my passenger at greater risk. Again the male officer refused to reverse and his female companion smirked as she reached for her notebook. I construe her actions as intimidatory. I then requested their collar numbers.

With that I returned to my vehicle and, realising I would need to clear my rear windscreen to make the manoeuvre proceeded to do so. The officers remained in their vehicle. I returned to them with my notebook to make certain of the collar numbers and both officers repeated them for me, and I wrote them in my book. I returned to the taxi and tentatively made the manoeuvre. I pulled into the space available and the police car passed me and went on its way.

I then took my passenger to his address whereupon he advised me that he was appalled by the two officers’ behaviour, citing it as arrogant. He willingly furnished me with his name, address and contact availability and I have this on file should it be needed.

I returned to the locus and took some photos to illustrate my complaint should it be necessary. While the position of both vehicles in the incident is not recorded, the witness may be able to describe same. While taking my shots the police car drove past me.

I take this opportunity to make formal statement that there was no belligerence on either side, and no profanity was uttered. There were no charges brought against me by these officers at the time of the incident, nor did they ever claim there would or could be.

My complaint concerns the actions of these two officers who used their office to intimidate and abuse me. That they have subsequently made reference of the incident to the Taxi Examination Centre I suggest is simply a reaction to the fact that I requested their collar numbers, and their intent to use the system to intimidate me further.

Their action was to deliberately speed up into the chicane to bring about the incident, the female officer clearly thought the matter was amusing. She was laughing at me.

By deliberately obstructing our passage, when they clearly had the option not to, these officers obstructed me going about my lawful business. This is a clear breach of my Human Rights.

By deliberately using their vehicle to obstruct my passage, they had effectively arrested me, and falsely. This is a breach of my Human Rights.

By deliberately obstructing my passenger’s passage, when they clearly had the option not to, these officers obstructed him going about his lawful business. This is a clear breach of his Human Rights.

By deliberately using their vehicle to obstruct my passage, they have effective arrested him, and falsely. This is a breach of his Human Rights.

It is clear to me that these officers were engaging in a bit of sport with me and my passenger. This is not what Police officers are charged to do. As such their behaviour was reprehensible and not befitting the office they hold.

Because of this, I make formal complaint that these two officers should be held to account for their actions.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:30 pm 
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TEC number still engaged.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:06 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:
TEC number still engaged.


It seems the fylthhhhhhh up there is a [edited by admin] as down here :evil: wish you luck Jasbar :D

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:49 pm 
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Formal complaint lodged on Lothian and Borders Police website today at 1547 hrs.

7th January 2013

Dear Chief Constable

Re Incident 4th January, circa 2230 hours at Baxter’s Place, Edinburgh

Two officers, one taller with a black beard, the other shorter, fresh faced with light coloured hair.

I refer to an incident I endured with two Lothian and Borders Police officers on the night of Friday 4th January around 22.30 hours.

I am an Edinburgh Licenced taxi driver and was stopped in Baxter’s Place awaiting the Playhouse coming out to get a fare. I had stopped on the premise that this was imminent however, realising that it was not, I had already made a manoeuvre to allow me to move on. This caused my vehicle to protrude a further one third of its width. Checking my side mirror before moving on I was aware of a police vehicle which had drawn adjacent to me.

The officer driving advised me that I was causing an obstruction and commanded me to move on or I would be charged. I pointed out that this was already my intention and asked that he move forward to allow me to manoeuvre my vehicle more safely. He refused, instead telling me again to move or I would be charged. I construed his demeanour as being unnecessarily intimidating and requested his collar number.

The bearded officer stated that they hadn’t moved their vehicle when I did pull round into the lane so there was no reason why I couldn’t move as they’d commanded. I replied that I am driving a much bigger vehicle and it was not a manoeuvre I would have made through choice. I did so only because of their tone of command, placing both our vehicles at unnecessary risk of collision.

Against my better judgement I did in fact move the vehicle through the tight space left and stopped at the top of Greenside lane which satisfied the officers although I now was causing an obstruction at their command.

I was setting the recorder on my phone when the two officers approached me and demanded I switch it off, as I would be breaching their Human Rights. My Human Rights in this matter were of no consequence to them.

I asked again for their collar numbers, and again they refused, telling me that their numbers would be on the ticket they were about to give me. I stated that I had a right to know their numbers when I asked and they still refused.

Throughout my contact with these officers I continually restated that I was already in the process of moving when they accosted me. They refused to accept this.

I pointed out to them that they had not ticketed the cars behind or in front of me and that the only reason I was being charged was because I had asked for their collar numbers. They were using the charge as a direct attempt to intimidate me.

The bearded officer then asked me for my driving licence. When I said I did not carry it he advised me that it was a requirement in Law to carry the licence when driving. I asked when this had been brought in and he replied that it had always been the case. I asked if he was having me on because I was aware of the 5 day rule for production of documents at a Police station. Needless to say no charge for non-carrying of my licence was made to me.

I gave them my details and the bearded officer went to the back of the vehicle where I could hear him calling them in and receiving details of the file you clearly hold about me.

While the details were being checked on the Police computer I went to a driver seeking to exit the Lane and advised him I didn’t know how long the matter would take, and perhaps he would prefer to drive round to the other exit, which he did.

At that the shorter officer returned to tell me that he could still charge me, but they had decided not to on this occasion, citing that the Police wish to maintain good relations with the taxi trade and that what concerned him was my asking for their collar numbers, which usually only happens with criminals and causes them all kinds of hassle.

With that, and free to go, I left and went back to work.

I make formal complaint that this unnecessary abuse was only conducted by the officers because I asked for their collar numbers, a clear attempt to intimidate me.

I make formal complaint that when asked for their collar numbers, the information should have been given up at the time. By only putting the information on a ticket that wasn’t issued I am now in the position of not knowing who the officers were who abused me. This must be a contravention of police procedure and a contravention of my Human Rights. However, because the two officers did log the call to the Police computer, their identities should be a matter of record.

I make formal complaint that the bearded officer was in ignorance of the Law regarding the carrying of driving licences. He had to have known of the 5 day rule for production of documents. If he did, then his claim I should have been carrying mine was another clear attempt to intimidate me. And, if he didn’t, then it calls into question the training standards for police officers within Lothian and Borders Police.

I make formal complaint that there have been too many incidents directed at me and I now wonder why? Either there is a campaign directed against me within the force, or I am simply meeting inconsiderate and ill-trained officers.

I look forward to your earliest reply.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:17 pm 
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Perhaps the link between both these incidents is the asking for collar numbers.

So, given that the numbers are supposed to be visible to protect the public, why should giving them up cause them such difficulty if they have nothing to hide?

Given that the officers didn't require me to give up my licence identity at the time of the Loganlea incident, I wonder whether it was them passing me for the second time at the locus when they realised that I was intent on making formal complaint, and they decided to note my number and get in first.

Difficulty is that we now have a situation where two cops, initiating the complaint and with a vested interest to protect themselves for their conduct, are now in a position to fabricate anything they want in order to justify their actions. Two cops against one licensed taxi driver. After all, cops always tell the truth don't they?

BTW Checked again with my voicemail that the number was correct, dialled it again and still can't get through. Emailed the complaints to the cab inspector email address as well as the cab office one. No reply yet from either.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:41 pm 
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Perhaps the link between both these incidents is the asking for collar numbers.


Dunno..looks to me like the more obvious link between these incidents is yourself and your attitude towards Lothian and Borders finest. :?


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Perhaps the link between both these incidents is the asking for collar numbers.


Dunno..looks to me like the more obvious link between these incidents is yourself and your attitude towards Lothian and Borders finest. :?


I take it, that being servile is something you’ve got down to a fine art, bloodnock? Have you got any tips? What works best, when confronted by police officers abusing their powers, sucking dick or kissing ass?

They always say, ask the expert. #-o


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:20 pm 
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Jasbar wrote:

BTW Checked again with my voicemail that the number was correct, dialled it again and still can't get through. Emailed the complaints to the cab inspector email address as well as the cab office one. No reply yet from either.


Go in person with your written and signed complaint. Take a witness with you.

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Skull wrote:
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Perhaps the link between both these incidents is the asking for collar numbers.


Dunno..looks to me like the more obvious link between these incidents is yourself and your attitude towards Lothian and Borders finest. :?


I take it, that being servile is something you’ve got down to a fine art, bloodnock? Have you got any tips? What works best, when confronted by police officers abusing their powers, sucking dick or kissing ass?

They always say, ask the expert. #-o


No, But I ask myself this...what is it that causes so much Friction between the Boys in Blue and certain Somebodies on this Forum while nearly all the rest of us seem for the most part to get along with the police with little or no real problem??

It's More prudent to be polite and bite your Tongue at times rather than open your mouth and make the matter ten times worse for yourself, It's not subservience, just common bloody sense really. #-o


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Bloodnock writes:
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It's More prudent to be polite and bite your Tongue at times rather than open your mouth and make the matter ten times worse for yourself, It's not subservience, just common bloody sense really.


It's More prudent to be polite and kiss ass or suck dick at times rather than open your mouth and make the matter ten times worse for yourself, It's not subservience, just common bloody sense really. #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o


I think we've already worked out what it is Bloodnock, and it's not biting your tongue. #-o


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Skull wrote:
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It's More prudent to be polite and bite your Tongue at times rather than open your mouth and make the matter ten times worse for yourself, It's not subservience, just common bloody sense really.


It's More prudent to be polite and kiss ass or suck dick at times rather than open your mouth and make the matter ten times worse for yourself, It's not subservience, just common bloody sense really. #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o


I think we've already worked out what it is Bloodnock, and it's not biting your tongue. #-o


Anal lingus and that serville creep is a bloody expert at it :evil:

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:03 am 
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bloodnock wrote:

No, But I ask myself this...what is it that causes so much Friction between the Boys in Blue and certain Somebodies on this Forum while nearly all the rest of us seem for the most part to get along with the police with little or no real problem??

It's More prudent to be polite and bite your Tongue at times rather than open your mouth and make the matter ten times worse for yourself, It's not subservience, just common bloody sense really. #-o


And you would have me NOT complain formally when a cop speeds down a chicane to gain as much ground as possible so that the other vehicle has to reverse. Tell me Bloodnock, what would you be saying if this cops foot had slipped on the brake and the collision had injured my passenger?

I know my witness will attest to the fact that we both reached the chicane around the same time. And to the fact that the cop car was more than 3/4 way through when it came to a stop. Is this how cop drivers should behave? And the smirking partner?

Good sport against a cabbie I guess you would say.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 3:32 am 
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Jasbar wrote:
bloodnock wrote:

No, But I ask myself this...what is it that causes so much Friction between the Boys in Blue and certain Somebodies on this Forum while nearly all the rest of us seem for the most part to get along with the police with little or no real problem??

It's More prudent to be polite and bite your Tongue at times rather than open your mouth and make the matter ten times worse for yourself, It's not subservience, just common bloody sense really. #-o


And you would have me NOT complain formally when a cop speeds down a chicane to gain as much ground as possible so that the other vehicle has to reverse. Tell me Bloodnock, what would you be saying if this cops foot had slipped on the brake and the collision had injured my passenger?

I know my witness will attest to the fact that we both reached the chicane around the same time. And to the fact that the cop car was more than 3/4 way through when it came to a stop. Is this how cop drivers should behave? And the smirking partner?

Good sport against a cabbie I guess you would say.


Just let it go...hell, it's so trivial as to be of little or no concern, no point in getting all het up over it.
Everyday people wind other people up, if you let it go you win as it proves they didn't get to you, if you pursue it, it proves they did get to you.


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