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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:42 am 
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In reality only a PH operator can be self employed because they set their own fare structure.The drivers at the firm don't set their own prices and therefore are not self employed.


That's as maybe but if a private hire driver charges over the tariff rate what happens?

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toots wrote:
billybobs wrote:
In reality only a PH operator can be self employed because they set their own fare structure.The drivers at the firm don't set their own prices and therefore are not self employed.


That's as maybe but if a private hire driver charges over the tariff rate what happens?

Over what tariff rate? The council hackney rate or the PH operators rate?

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
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wannabeeahack wrote:
billybobs wrote:
In reality only a PH operator can be self employed because they set their own fare structure.The drivers at the firm don't set their own prices and therefore are not self employed.


Fares dont come into it

Explain that to me please. Are fares not what we work for?


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
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grandad wrote:
toots wrote:
billybobs wrote:
In reality only a PH operator can be self employed because they set their own fare structure.The drivers at the firm don't set their own prices and therefore are not self employed.


That's as maybe but if a private hire driver charges over the tariff rate what happens?

Over what tariff rate? The council hackney rate or the PH operators rate?


Clearly as it's relating to a private hire driver charging over the tariff it must be the ph operators rate as the council have nothing at all to do with that :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
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Can someone clarify this 'PH can charge whatever they like' issue.

I know HC have to have meters and charge the rate set by the council, but can discount the fare as much as they like and can't charge more than the metered rate.
I know PH don't have to have meters but if they do can set the meters to whatever rate they wish (which I thought was no more than they council rate), and give discounts - BUT,

I always thought that PH could only charge UP TO but not more than the metered rate set by the council regardless of whether a meter is fitted or not.

I'm getting the impression from this thread that there is no maximum rate PH can charge and can set fares higher than those the council sets for HC, is this correct ? If so is it a national law and can it be overidden by a council bylaw ? And if a PH has a meter fitted do they then have to charge no more than the council rate ?


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sasha wrote:
Can someone clarify this 'PH can charge whatever they like' issue.


Cos they can

the P in PH is "private" - i.e. the charge is a contract under common law and both parties agree, my mileage rate is higher than the LA meter tariff but the nearest HC is 13 miles away, so its "pay or walk"

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
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wannabeeahack wrote:
sasha wrote:
Can someone clarify this 'PH can charge whatever they like' issue.


Cos they can

the P in PH is "private" - i.e. the charge is a contract under common law and both parties agree, my mileage rate is higher than the LA meter tariff but the nearest HC is 13 miles away, so its "pay or walk"

simple


"pay or walk" like it he he exactly what i did when i was driving :D hang the flags out wannabe and TT agree on something :badgrin: :badgrin:

Keep it up mush yer learning we will have you in a Union in no time he he :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
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A PH can charge whatever rate they like, providing it is on display and/or agreed before they travel i.e. no maximum.

It's national law that PH don't need meters, and for the record national law that hackneys don't need meters, but with the later a council can insist.

If a PH has a meter that rate can be set at whatever rate the operator chooses.

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
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Sussex wrote:
If a PH has a meter that rate can be set at whatever rate the operator chooses.



but some LA's require that the tariff's be advised to them.....

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wannabeeahack wrote:
Sussex wrote:
If a PH has a meter that rate can be set at whatever rate the operator chooses.



but some LA's require that the tariff's be advised to them.....

I know, but I can't work out why or under what regulations they ask this.

If you are a one off PH driver/owner/operator how can you fulfil that obligation?

You will charge different rates for different jobs at different times.

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Sussex wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
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If a PH has a meter that rate can be set at whatever rate the operator chooses.



but some LA's require that the tariff's be advised to them.....

I know, but I can't work out why or under what regulations they ask this.

If you are a one off PH driver/owner/operator how can you fulfil that obligation?

You will charge different rates for different jobs at different times.


are you suggesting I make the fares up as i go along?

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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
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If you are a one off PH driver/owner/operator how can you fulfil that obligation?

You will charge different rates for different jobs at different times.[/quote]

are you suggesting I make the fares up as i go along?[/quote]

Yes Wannabe, as Sussex says different jobs, at different times, for different customers, if every job was the same you could possibly charge the same rate, but certainly from Brighton, the day and time of day, is certainly reflected in MY price although that is not the case on the radio cicuit I am on!.

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OK so the council can't set a maximum rate that PH can charge.

So why when I go for a pit-test do the LA do a meter test to check it's set to charge no more than the council rate (they insist that a meter is fitted at the time of the test)?
And why do I hear of PH drivers being called into licensing because a complaint of overcharging has been made?


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 Post subject: Re: Interesting....
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Guys...simples...

Hackney = meter, rate set by LA (meter need not be used outside your LA)

Private hire = no meter, rate set by base or owner of car OR

Private hire = meter, rate DECIDED by owner but advised (only) to LA


Theres no confusion on this (not in my mind at least)

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sasha wrote:
OK so the council can't set a maximum rate that PH can charge.


They cant

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