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Put it this way Skull, you can quote Chomsky till you're blue (or is that orange ) in the face, it's going to achieve fek all.
You can bury your head in the sand and refuse to play, because nobody is playing the game you want.



Their game will go on without you, and the outcome will still affect you.
You will still be governed by a bunch of c*nts, either elected by the people here or by the rest of the UK.
That bunch of c*nts have to appeal to the people who elect them, at least some of the time. (Despite what you think, they do want to get re-elected.)
The people who don't vote for them are more likely to get screwed over and by a much larger amount than those who do.
It's no accident that the worst affected parts of the UK over the last 30 odd years are all in traditional labour voting territory, and the least affected are all in the Tory shires.

Consequences of a No vote Skull

Barnett formula abolished.
Public spending slashed
NHS privatised
Pensioners, disabled etc shit on from a great height.
Obscene amounts spent on WMDs that will continue to be stored a stone's throw from Scotland's largest city.
Our kids still being sent to die in illegal wars that have nothing to do with us.

But you are more dangerous than are they. You don't need to be a member of some intellectual master race to see that is the future if we vote No.
Yet you would allow all of this to happen out of some bullshit belief that people are suddenly going to wake up and revolt.
You are a deluded and dangerous fool.

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its quite staggering south of the border with the amount of people taking UKIP seriously.......people appear to believe all the ill's of the UK derive from being members of the EU............they cite various things, loss of sovereignty (to the EU) is one example.....yet when asked which bit has been lost, they don't know......its because they're brainwashed by misreported headlines about bananas and propaganda from those with their own agenda, they are being denied through their own ignorance of having their own thoughts.

Gus posted an article from the pro independence lobby on the site a few posts up with a request that the pro unionists show their hand (or whatever white noise they've got to "persuade people who reside in Scotland" (sorry it ain't a Scots vote anymore because your going to allow foreigners to vote) because the SNP are seemingly becoming a little desperate.

It's already been established with the 'cyber nasty' campaigns..........although I cannot say I totally disagree with the approach.

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Would you like to define who is or isn't Scottish?

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I'd personally say someone who was born there, or who can say 'see you jimmy' in a Glaswegian accent........someone born in warsaw, in Scotland for a few years before going back home to buy gdansk aint probably Scottish......although, as both sets of grandparents of mine were apparently jocko's......I'll willingly sell my vote....a little like your Scottish nobility sold you all out a couple of hundred years ago

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People south of the border are reacting to 4 decades of being told that all the ills of the country are down to Europe. It's a strategy used by every UK government since the 70's and now it's come back to bite them all in the arse.
Farage is just taking advantage of the path that others have beaten for him.

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Well that was helpful.

Like to tackle the Arabs and Israelis next?

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I think it's because they are born into the belief their vote actually means something. They don’t seem to understand that a system is just a set of rules for governing behaviour, where the process decides the outcome. Although, you can rest assured that’s how the political class, and their wealthy elite sees it.

Gusmac needs to believe that political animals like Salmond really care, and that little tartan people like him actually matter.

The truth is, without a written constitution and the necessary checks and balance, nothing will change. All the fancy words like independence, freedom and social justice, won’t really mean anything. And only a complete numpty would believe otherwise.

So are you two both saying that it makes no difference who anyone votes for, the result is pre-ordained, the winning candidates already picked and the policies already decided?

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An Independent Scotland will have a written constitution for it's citizens.
That may not be exactly what you want, but that's far more than the UK has ever had for it's subjects.

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Gusmac, I want you to read the above carefully. It means exactly what it says. There are exceptions to every rule, but for the most part, you can take the above to the bank.

The result might not be preordained, but who you vote in makes little difference. It's the wealthy elite who decides how the country is run.

That is shite. The wealthy have undue influence, but they do not decide everything.

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Gusmac, the wealthy have lobbyists making sure their interests are being served, long before your interests, even to the point of fighting illegal wars or not paying their taxes. The game is rigged me old mucker.

This is a game of the biggest boys having the biggest toys. People like you are laughed at, that's if, they give you a passing thought.

So you see Gusmac, it has nothing to do with being for the Union or against Independence. It’s simply about seeing beyond the bullshit. The fundamental principles of democracy are being usurped by the wealthy elite and their puppet politicians.
As for voting for Independence, without a written constitution and more importantly the legal framework to underpin the fundamental principles of democracy, we’ll all end up living in another political dictatorship. Where voting is nothing more than a Public Relations exercise to convince a few numpties, the political system actually works.

In or out of Europe, Scotland needs a written constitution

By John Drummond Chairman of the Constitutional Commission
Sunday 20 January 2013

WITHOUT parodying conventional wisdom too far, many believe that an independent Scotland would be a state of, by, and for the SNP, with Alex Salmond as its perpetual leader, and little or no room for erstwhile Unionists.

The First Minister's speech to the Foreign Press Association last Tuesday changes that conventional wisdom. By announcing his commitment to a written constitution in an independent Scotland, he made a clear distinction between the state – ie, the permanent democratic institutions of Scotland – and the government that might happen to hold office as a result of any given future election. The referendum is nothing less than a choice between two states.

When it comes to the vote, people will be confronted with two boxes. The one marked "No" is a vote for the old, creaking, unwritten UK constitution. This has allowed the Libor scandal, unethical financial services, Leveson, Iraq and the MPs' expenses scandal; where the electoral system is unfit for purpose; the unelected House of Lords cannot be reformed; and where clerics make laws (an arrangement shared only with Iran).

The one marked "Yes" stands for a good constitution, a civic, democratic, Scotland, where the people are sovereign, rights are protected, and government is both representative and responsible. In that new state, governments will come and go; parliamentary majorities will wax and wane; Labour prime ministers of Scotland will spar with SNP leaders of the opposition. The state will belong not to one person, nor one party, but to the whole community of the realm.

Thanks to Salmond's announcement, it has become sensible to ask what an erstwhile Unionist might want from an independent Scotland. And it is likely the former Unionist and the former Nationalist will both want similar things: the protection of fundamental rights; a fair and free electoral process; an independent judiciary; and a political system in which power can peacefully and democratically be transferred from one government to another.

It might seem strange to attach so much importance to an announcement about a constitution. Constitutions, it is often thought, are for dusty legal geeks, and of only peripheral interest to voters concerned with the practical bread-and-butter issues of everyday life.

Through a process of public meetings, research and publications, the Constitutional Commission has been working to dispel this notion, arguing for a clearer understanding of what is at stake here. We have conducted an important educational drive to make citizens aware of constitutional matters, bringing more light into this heated debate. We contend that nothing has greater bearing on the policies which concern everyday life than the distribution of power in society: who rules; how did they get there; what constraints are placed upon them; who are they accountable to; and how can we get rid of them? These are the key questions that a constitution answers.

The constitution is not only the supreme law that protects rights and democratic processes. It expresses a state's commitment to itself, its citizens, and the rest of humanity. It represents what a nation stands for, and what it will not stand for. Most states believe this is so important that they expressly put it in writing, in one document – capable of being amended, but protected against transitory or unilateral changes by the government of the day.

The adoption of a new constitution will have to wait until after independence, but now is the time for Scots to think about the kind of constitution we need. We must discuss the key institutional provisions – parliament, government, head of state, judiciary, civil service and so on. Luckily, on these matters which actually constitute the organs of self-government, we have good models to work from, and there is unlikely to be major disagreement. This meets the first role of a constitution, which is to provide democratic ground rules and fundamental rights. The Constitutional Commission would like this to be clarified in the forthcoming White Paper and put into an interim constitutional framework from the outset. Interestingly, the Green Party makes much the same argument.

Then, after independence, with the interim constitutional framework in place, a participatory convention can be established, as the Scottish Government suggests, to determine the details of a lasting constitution for approval by the sovereign people.

Everyone, even those unconvinced by independence but desirous of better governance, can get involved in this constitutional conversation: we live here, and if there is to be a Scottish state it ought to be a state that belongs to all of us. We are called to be the founding mothers and fathers of a new and possibly great democracy, and every honest voice, hopeful heart and constructive hand should be encouraged to share in this work.

Writing Scotland: the blueprint for our future nation starts here

By John Drummond

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You could engage with this, or you could just wait for hell to freeze over and Westminster to do it for us.

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America has a written constitution...what's left of it. The bit that concerns me, is that without the legal framework to underpin, all of these grand promises, few will be able to access it.

We already have Human Rights but just try to access those rights. It's a whole different ball game. If you don't happen to come from an ethnic minority that's being discriminated against, you can shout about your rights, as much as you like and no one will take any notice.

My problem with Salmond and MacAskill is, I don't see any written constitution or the legal framework to make it happen, only a lot of promises. And you know what they say about politicians moving their lips...