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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:27 am 
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OFT says UK petrol market is working well


Motoring organisations have expressed disappointment after a study found drivers are paying fair fuel prices.

The Office of Fair Trading (OFT) study of the UK petrol and diesel market found that little action is needed.

"The evidence gathered by the OFT suggests that at a national level, competition is working well in the UK road fuel sector," its report said.

Motoring policy body the RAC Foundation said the report gave 'little comfort" to motorists.

And there were other misgivings from the Petrol Retailers' Association and pressure group Fair Fuel UK.

The OFT said there was very little evidence that petrol and diesel prices rise quickly when oil prices go up, but are slow to fall when prices drop.

"We recognise that there has been widespread mistrust in how this market is operating," said OFT chief executive Clive Maxwell.

"However, our analysis suggests that competition is working well, and rises in pump prices over last decade or so have largely been down to increases in tax and the cost of crude oil."

But the OFT found that fuel was significantly more expensive at motorway service stations and was concerned that motorists were not able to see the prices until they had left the motorway.

The report asked the Department for Transport to introduce new signs on motorways to display prices.

It also said that while it did not plan to do any more work on the national fuel market, it might still take action in some local markets if there was "persuasive evidence of anti-competitive behaviour".

Independent retailers had complained that oil companies and supermarkets had been using their scale to give themselves an unfair advantage, but the regulator found no evidence of this.

Brian Madderson from the Petrol Retailers' Association, which represents independent forecourts and made the original complaint to the OFT, said the findings were "a grave disappointment".

"This is the sort of thing that the OFT and the establishment have done many times before," he said.

"They have failed to take on the big players in the market - the oil companies, the supermarkets - and have left the smaller independent businesses to their fate."

He questioned why wholesale petrol prices had gone up seven pence a litre since Christmas when refineries were saying they had a glut of petrol and demand had been hit by wintry weather.

'Drivers' misery'

The investigation into the £32bn sector was launched in September last year.

Since September it has been hearing evidence from trade bodies, government and regulatory organisations, consumer bodies and motoring groups.


Motorists in Plymouth say they have seen prices rise and rise

"This report will give only limited comfort to the UK's 35 million drivers who continue to pay near record prices at the pumps, but the OFT does identify the true cause of drivers' misery - the chancellor and crude oil prices," said Prof Stephen Glaister, director of the RAC Foundation.

"About 60% of the pump price is accounted for by fuel duty and VAT and we would now call on retailers to provide a breakdown on till receipts to show exactly what the proportion the Exchequer is creaming off."

"Some will find it hard to believe, but the report does make clear that the fuel market is helping keep prices lower and supermarkets have actually helped competition."

Quentin Willson, spokesman for the pressure group FairFuelUK, said he was shocked.

"Every motorist and business in Britain instinctively knows that 'something's not right'," he said.

"The OFT appears to have failed to address the key issues of : why diesel is more expensive than unleaded in the UK when this is not the case in Europe, why falls in the oil price take so long to be reflected at the pump, and why there are such variations in price, often from the same branded forecourts, within the same area."

The report was welcomed by Chris Hunt, director general of the UK's Petroleum Industry Association, which represents refiners.

"The UK has had amongst the lowest pre-tax pump prices in the EU for over a decade so the findings come as no surprise," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-21258809

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:33 am 
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This is how capitalism works......

OIL SPECULATORS. I TOLD YOU THEY HAVE BEEN FIDDLING PRICES!


'I hesitate to say 'Told You So', but I've been yammering on about oil price manipulation in these pages for months. You can set your watch by oil speculators. As soon as they see some snippet of news that might influence the oil supply and demand model, they bet on rises, prices climb and they trouser a profit. Remember all that stuff about the Iranians threatening to block the Straight of Hormuz? Literally hours after the news broke, crude rose. And went on rising. The hedgies made a good few quid that month. Same thing with the interruption of oil supplies from Libya. Speculators bet on a shortage, prices climbed and then, the unkindest cut of all, the extra supplies released by governments to fill the supply shortfall, were bought by banks and hedge funds for a nice little earner. Then when the euro zone crisis really started to take hold and weak data from China hit the news, the banks and hedge funds baled out of their oil stocks and crude plunged to $87.00 a barrel. You don't have to be Carol Vorderman to see how this works.


But if these monkeys have been deliberately falsifying the daily price of crude to line their own pockets, then they've committed a hugely reprehensible crime that will have caused untold angst and misery to millions of hard-working families and businesses in the UK. If they've deliberately and knowingly pushed up the price of oil then they've committed a criminal fraud and should be held to account. FairFuel has spent the last two years battling to bring pump prices down and protect vulnerable UK consumers. If it does turn out that our honourable efforts have been regularly sabotaged by a bunch of city opportunists in red braces, I will be incandescent. As will most right-thinking, decent people. And if there's a bank, recognisable brand or commodity trading firm involved in this shameless fraud, then they'd better start worrying about their future. Deliberately forcing consumers to pay a profit-driven, fraudulent premium for the right of personal mobility is greed in the extreme. The public's opprobrium and disgust will be swift, relentless and last forever. No guilty brand will survive the torrent of hatred.

I want an investigation as soon as possible to see just how much alleged fraud has gone on. Its high time the largely unregulated oil market showed the world some transparency, told us about market pricing and proved that the price of a barrel of crude really is dependent on good-old-fashioned supply and demand. Anything less will be the avoidance of truth.'


http://www.fairfueluk.com/quentins_blog ... 1342453253

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 10:53 am 
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I loved the bit about our fuel prices being amongst the cheapest in Europe....................... before tax and duty.

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I loved the bit about our fuel prices being amongst the cheapest in Europe....................... before tax and duty.


Norway, Turkey, Italy and Sweden are dearer for diesel

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Its the tax that kills us.The government is diverting the attention .


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What makes me piss is this, when the price of oil goes up the price at the pumps goes up before it's reached the surface, when the price goes down it takes weeks and weeks.


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What makes me piss is this, when the price of oil goes up the price at the pumps goes up before it's reached the surface, when the price goes down it takes weeks and weeks.


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Speculators bet on a shortage, prices climbed and then, the unkindest cut of all, the extra supplies released by governments to fill the supply shortfall, were bought by banks and hedge funds for a nice little earner.

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Same thing with the interruption of oil supplies from Libya. Speculators bet on a shortage, prices climbed and then, the unkindest cut of all, the extra supplies released by governments to fill the supply shortfall, were bought by banks and hedge funds for a nice little earner.

Can you blame them the higher the price the greater the VAT revenue and thats something they are desperate for in these recessionary times

And it's mugs like you and me that pay it !!

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Same thing with the interruption of oil supplies from Libya. Speculators bet on a shortage, prices climbed and then, the unkindest cut of all, the extra supplies released by governments to fill the supply shortfall, were bought by banks and hedge funds for a nice little earner.

Can you blame them the higher the price the greater the VAT revenue and thats something they are desperate for in these recessionary times

And it's mugs like you and me that pay it !!


Its called capitalism ie fekking crooks and gangsters rape the planet at your expense. #-o

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these guys, especially the head honcho at the oft was the one responsible for the dublin debacle!!!


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Same thing with the interruption of oil supplies from Libya. Speculators bet on a shortage, prices climbed and then, the unkindest cut of all, the extra supplies released by governments to fill the supply shortfall, were bought by banks and hedge funds for a nice little earner.

Can you blame them the higher the price the greater the VAT revenue and thats something they are desperate for in these recessionary times

And it's mugs like you and me that pay it !!


Its called capitalism ie fekking crooks and gangsters rape the planet at your expense. #-o



Daily Mirror today Shell make £578 a SECOND profit,

NATIONALISATION WITHOUT COMPENSATION ANYONE :?: =D> =D> =D> :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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NATIONALISATION WITHOUT COMPENSATION ANYONE :?: =D> =D> =D> :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

And wipe out millions of workers pensions. ](*,)

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trotskys twin wrote:
NATIONALISATION WITHOUT COMPENSATION ANYONE :?: =D> =D> =D> :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

And wipe out millions of workers pensions. ](*,)



how??????????????

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Sussex wrote:
trotskys twin wrote:
NATIONALISATION WITHOUT COMPENSATION ANYONE :?: =D> =D> =D> :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

And wipe out millions of workers pensions. ](*,)



how??????????????


Struck dumb again dope.............what about an answer #-o #-o #-o

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Norway, Turkey, Italy and Sweden are dearer for diesel



I just love it when they do comparisons to suit, in many respects it leaves somewhere between 165/185 other countries that are cheaper than the above 4 mentioned :shock: .

It is like the L.As - they will always use another Borough to use as an example as to why their policy should go through - like wtf has London, Birmingham, The Orkney's etc got to do with Cardiff.

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