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PostPosted: Sat Mar 02, 2013 11:32 am 
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Scottish police want anti-mafia laws


CONTROVERSIAL anti-mafia powers could be introduced in Scotland after government officials opened talks with their Italian counterparts.

Talks are currently ongoing to see how well the powers have worked in Italy, and how they comply with EU laws, The Scotsman understands.

Scottish police officers have visited Rome to see anti-mafia teams and believe the measures could be beneficial here.

Special certificates issued to legitimate firms are designed to drive organised crime out of public-sector contracts, which has been a growing concern for Scottish police in recent years.

In Scotland, this is likely to include taxis and private hire vehicles, security, elements of construction, and property management and development.

Anti-mafia certificates were discussed at the most recent meeting of the serious and organised crime taskforce in January.

Police said they were keen on the model in June, but admit it could prove controversial, especially as people under investigation, but not convicted of a crime, could find themselves blocked from contracts.

Detective Chief Inspector Ronnie Megaughin, head of interventions at the Scottish Crime and Drugs Enforcement Agency (SCDEA), said: “One of the most important elements of this is understanding how anti-mafia legislation provides compliance for the Italian government in terms of the EU.

“Our understanding is that companies can’t be excluded on any basis that is less than evidence of conviction of offences.

“In Italy, it’s a different position. Any company that applies for public contracts over a certain threshold has to obtain an anti-mafia certificate.

“They are only issued where there’s no record of anti-mafia specialist measures against the company or people associated with the company. That includes confiscation of assets before conviction. So you can just be under investigation.”

In Italy, particularly the south of the country, the mafia’s involvement in legitimate businesses is a historic problem.While anti-mafia powers have not been a silver bullet, they are now seen as indispensable by crime-fighting organisations there.

DCI Megaughin said: “I personally visited the anti-mafia directive in Italy and spoke to people there. Their view is it is an absolute necessity.

“In Scotland, we’re very much alive to the threat organised crime poses to legitimate businesses and the community.”

However, there are concerns innocent people could lose their livelihoods because of police intelligence which later proves to be wrong.

John Scott, QC, a leading human rights lawyer, said: “This is the logical next step in the way we have been heading when it comes to serious and organised crime.

“In particular, it is consistent with the use of the civil courts to try and stop criminals from operating, but it is a human rights minefield for the police and Crown.

“We’re inching closer to the stage where it becomes more likely that entirely innocent individuals or companies get caught up in an investigation and then their business ceases to be able to trade, and a claim goes in against the police or Crown.”

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-2818187

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 6:59 pm 
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Scottish police want anti-mafia laws


CONTROVERSIAL anti-mafia powers could be introduced in Scotland after government officials opened talks with their Italian counterparts.

Talks are currently ongoing to see how well the powers have worked in Italy, and how they comply with EU laws, The Scotsman understands.

Scottish police officers have visited Rome to see anti-mafia teams and believe the measures could be beneficial here.

Special certificates issued to legitimate firms are designed to drive organised crime out of public-sector contracts, which has been a growing concern for Scottish police in recent years.

In Scotland, this is likely to include taxis and private hire vehicles, security, elements of construction, and property management and development.

Anti-mafia certificates were discussed at the most recent meeting of the serious and organised crime taskforce in January.

Police said they were keen on the model in June, but admit it could prove controversial, especially as people under investigation, but not convicted of a crime, could find themselves blocked from contracts.

Detective Chief Inspector Ronnie Megaughin, head of interventions at the Scottish Crime and Drugs Enforcement Agency (SCDEA), said: “One of the most important elements of this is understanding how anti-mafia legislation provides compliance for the Italian government in terms of the EU.

“Our understanding is that companies can’t be excluded on any basis that is less than evidence of conviction of offences.

“In Italy, it’s a different position. Any company that applies for public contracts over a certain threshold has to obtain an anti-mafia certificate.

“They are only issued where there’s no record of anti-mafia specialist measures against the company or people associated with the company. That includes confiscation of assets before conviction. So you can just be under investigation.”

In Italy, particularly the south of the country, the mafia’s involvement in legitimate businesses is a historic problem.While anti-mafia powers have not been a silver bullet, they are now seen as indispensable by crime-fighting organisations there.

DCI Megaughin said: “I personally visited the anti-mafia directive in Italy and spoke to people there. Their view is it is an absolute necessity.

“In Scotland, we’re very much alive to the threat organised crime poses to legitimate businesses and the community.”

However, there are concerns innocent people could lose their livelihoods because of police intelligence which later proves to be wrong.

John Scott, QC, a leading human rights lawyer, said: “This is the logical next step in the way we have been heading when it comes to serious and organised crime.

“In particular, it is consistent with the use of the civil courts to try and stop criminals from operating, but it is a human rights minefield for the police and Crown.

“We’re inching closer to the stage where it becomes more likely that entirely innocent individuals or companies get caught up in an investigation and then their business ceases to be able to trade, and a claim goes in against the police or Crown.”

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/t ... -1-2818187


The cops should NOT be engaging in political lobbying for powers.

They are supposed to be independent.

If they have a point to make, they should so directly to the Minister in government. End of.

There should be NO room in our society for a politicised police force.

No more powers are needed anyway. They already have all the powers they need to deal with crime and criminals.

Now, they should just get on and do their job, dealing with serious crime, rather than noising up motorists and, in particular, cab drivers, who are easy targets allowing them to rack up the stats.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:23 pm 
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You are all suspects now. What are you going to do about it?

26 April 2012

You are all potential terrorists. It matters not that you live in Britain, the United States, Australia or the Middle East. Citizenship is effectively abolished. Turn on your computer and the US Department of Homeland Security's National Operations Center may monitor whether you are typing not merely "al-Qaeda", but "exercise", "drill", "wave", "initiative" and "organisation": all proscribed words. The British government's announcement that it intends to spy on every email and phone call is old hat. The satellite vacuum cleaner known as Echelon has been doing this for years. What has changed is that a state of permanent war has been launched by the United States and a police state is consuming western democracy.

What are you going to do about it?

In Britain, on instructions from the CIA, secret courts are to deal with "terror suspects". Habeas Corpus is dying. The European Court of Human Rights has ruled that five men, including three British citizens, can be extradited to the US even though none except one has been charged with a crime. All have been imprisoned for years under the 2003 US/UK Extradition Treaty which was signed one month after the criminal invasion of Iraq. The European Court had condemned the treaty as likely to lead to "cruel and unusual punishment". One of the men, Babar Ahmad, was awarded 63,000 pounds compensation for 73 recorded injuries he sustained in the custody of the Metropolitan Police. Sexual abuse, the signature of fascism, was high on the list. Another man is a schizophrenic who has suffered a complete mental collapse and is in Broadmoor secure hospital; another is a suicide risk. To the Land of the Free, they go - along with young Richard O'Dwyer, who faces 10 years in shackles and an orange jump suit because he allegedly infringed US copyright on the internet.

As the law is politicised and Americanised, these travesties are not untypical. In upholding the conviction of a London university student, Mohammed Gul, for disseminating "terrorism" on the internet, Appeal Court judges in London ruled that "acts... against the armed forces of a state anywhere in the world which sought to influence a government and were made for political purposes" were now crimes. Call to the dock Thomas Paine, Aung San Suu Kyi, Nelson Mandela.

What are you going to do about it?

The prognosis is clear now: the malignancy that Norman Mailer called "pre fascist" has metastasized. The US attorney-general, Eric Holder, defends the "right" of his government to assassinate American citizens. Israel, the protege, is allowed to aim its nukes at nukeless Iran. In this looking glass world, the lying is panoramic. The massacre of 17 Afghan civilians on 11 March, including at least nine children and four women, is attributed to a "rogue" American soldier. The "authenticity" of this is vouched by President Obama himself, who had "seen a video" and regards it as "conclusive proof". An independent Afghan parliamentary investigation produces eyewitnesses who give detailed evidence of as many as 20 soldiers, aided by a helicopter, ravaging their villages, killing and raping: a standard, if marginally more murderous US special forces "night raid".

Take away the videogame technology of killing - America's contribution to modernity - and the behaviour is traditional. Immersed in comic-book righteousness, poorly or brutally trained, frequently racist, obese and led by a corrupt officer class, American forces transfer the homicide of home to faraway places whose impoverished struggles they cannot comprehend. A nation founded on the genocide of the native population never quite kicks the habit. Vietnam was "Indian country" and its "slits" and "gooks" were to be "blown away".

The blowing away of hundreds of mostly women and children in the Vietnamese village of My Lai in 1968 was also a "rogue" incident and, profanely, an "American tragedy" (the cover headline of Newsweek). Only one of 26 men prosecuted was convicted and he was let go by President Richard Nixon. My Lai is in Quang Ngai province where, as I learned as a reporter, an estimated 50,000 people were killed by American troops, mostly in what they called "free fire zones". This was the model of modern warfare: industrial murder.

Like Iraq and Libya, Afghanistan is a theme park for the beneficiaries of America's new permanent war: Nato, the armaments and hi-tech companies, the media and a "security" industry whose lucrative contamination is a contagion on everyday life. The conquest or "pacification" of territory is unimportant. What matters is the pacification of you, the cultivation of your indifference.

What are you going to do about it?

The descent into totalitarianism has landmarks. Any day now, the Supreme Court in London will decide whether the WikiLeaks editor, Julian Assange, is to be extradited to Sweden. Should this final appeal fail, the facilitator of truth-telling on an epic scale, who is charged with no crime, faces solitary confinement and interrogation on ludicrous sex allegations. Thanks to a secret deal between the US and Sweden, he can be "rendered" to the American gulag at any time. In his own country, Australia, prime minister Julia Gillard has conspired with those in Washington she calls her "true mates" to ensure her innocent fellow citizen is fitted for his orange jump suit just in case he should make it home. In February, her government wrote a "WikiLeaks Amendment" to the extradition treaty between Australia and the US that makes it easier for her "mates" to get their hands on him. She has even given them the power of approval over Freedom of Information searches - so that the world outside can be lied to, as is customary.

What are you going to do about it?


http://johnpilger.com/articles/you-are- ... o-about-it

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:40 pm 
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The link doesn't work CC, "access forbidden" :shock:

Try this one, Pilger is a hell of a writer...

http://johnpilger.com/


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:54 pm 
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The link doesn't work CC, "access forbidden" :shock:

Try this one, Pilger is a hell of a writer...

http://johnpilger.com/



Yeah - I've enjoyed reading his stuff.

btw your link don't work either :wink:

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 11:55 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
Skull wrote:
The link doesn't work CC, "access forbidden" :shock:

Try this one, Pilger is a hell of a writer...

http://johnpilger.com/



Yeah - I've enjoyed reading his stuff.

btw your link don't work either :wink:


Well, that makes me feel good. If we can't post his links on forums, and you did it first, you're just as fu*ked as me. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Oh and CC, I'm not kidding. :shock:

If you read Pilger, you are fecked. :shock:

Someone will have a file on you. #-o

Welcome to the Matrix................................. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 1:31 am 
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Oh and CC, I'm not kidding. :shock:

If you read Pilger, you are fecked. :shock:

Someone will have a file on you. #-o

Welcome to the Matrix................................. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



I think my response to the LC kinda put me there :wink:

But Pilger is very good - a little like these two;

http://www.medialens.org/index.php/aler ... -2013.html

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 7:27 am 
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Talks are currently ongoing to see how well the powers have worked in Italy, and how they comply with EU laws, The Scotsman understands.

As Italy is part of the EU, I would think their laws comply to EU law.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:21 pm 
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The link does work.

I guess the way to beat them is for everyone to put in their emails a full list of proscribed words.

Like AK47, Al-Qaeda, Bin Laden, bombs, murder, terrorism, struggle, September 11, Home office, targets, rfendition, Guantanamo Bay, Secret Service, MI5, Mi6 and every stupid fwecking oppressive government nutjob who panders to the US.

That should do it, eh. hang on ... there's a knock at the door =D>

:badgrin:

BTW before I answer it, the ozzies have a real problem with their leader. She's the one who attacked immigrants for not being "Australian" and if they didn't like it, to get out. She's a real cookie.

BTW2 Where is Toots?

:badgrin:

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