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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:10 am 
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I would describe the above, as an act of desperation, and tearing down your own case in the process. :-|


not so sure - depends on the recorded complaints against him now I guess - saying that - if he was a threat, why was he licensed - someone obviously believed he was fit and proper.


Anyone who cites an alleged incident, where the prosecutions QC has called their own witness a liar, resulting in the accused being cleared of any wrong doing, is asking for trouble. #-o

Taxi drivers have minor spats all the time. It's the nature of the job, but that doesn't make someone a murderer.

I think Steven has been gifted with a prosecutor who's an idiot. #-o


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Anyone who cites an alleged incident, where the prosecutions QC has called their own witness a liar, resulting in the accused being cleared of any wrong doing, is asking for trouble. #-o

Taxi drivers have minor spats all the time. It's the nature of the job, but that doesn't make someone a murderer.

I think Steven has been gifted with a prosecutor who's an idiot. #-o


perhaps - but the jury heard it.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:39 am 
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Anyone who cites an alleged incident, where the prosecutions QC has called their own witness a liar, resulting in the accused being cleared of any wrong doing, is asking for trouble. #-o

Taxi drivers have minor spats all the time. It's the nature of the job, but that doesn't make someone a murderer.

I think Steven has been gifted with a prosecutor who's an idiot. #-o


perhaps - but the jury heard it.


True, but you would hope that someone on the jury is pointing to this alleged incident as being so far removed from murder, as to be ridiculous. I think, in this case, a reasonable doubt, speaks for itself.

Oh and btw, a mate of mine told me that this Mr. Nekoo was known to be a bit of a head case. :-|


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:44 am 
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True, but you would hope that someone on the jury is pointing to this alleged incident as being so far removed from murder, as to be ridiculous. I think, in this case, a reasonable doubt, speaks for itself.

Oh and btw, a mate of mine told me that this Mr. Nekoo was known to be a bit of a head case. :-|


I think the press continually producing a picture of Mr. Nekoo in a model pose is a ploy to get the driver convicted personally.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 12:52 am 
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True, but you would hope that someone on the jury is pointing to this alleged incident as being so far removed from murder, as to be ridiculous. I think, in this case, a reasonable doubt, speaks for itself.

Oh and btw, a mate of mine told me that this Mr. Nekoo was known to be a bit of a head case. :-|


I think the press continually producing a picture of Mr. Nekoo in a model pose is a ploy to get the driver convicted personally.


Absolutely, but it just goes to show what a crock of shi*e the legal system really is. :-|

It's about the moolah........................ truth and justice are little to do with anything. :shock: :-|


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I would even go so far as to say that whether you are innocent or guilty, if you are not prepared to lie under oath, when necessary. You are fu*ked. :-|


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I would even go so far as to say that whether you are innocent or guilty, if you are not prepared to lie under oath, when necessary. You are fu*ked. :-|



harsh - but I think the knife not being found was huge in this case - the defence relies on it.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:34 am 
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I would even go so far as to say that whether you are innocent or guilty, if you are not prepared to lie under oath, when necessary. You are fu*ked. :-|



harsh - but I think the knife not being found was huge in this case - the defence relies on it.


I think the forensic evidence, pointing to the fact, that Nekoo ended up underneath Nolan's taxi with no real explanation of how he got there, suggests it was an accident.

If Nekoo slipped and fell onto the ground, whether facing towards or away from the vehicle, it's possible that Steven, in his haste, drove right over the top of him without even knowing he was there.

Yes, Steven might have been mistaken in his belief that Nekoo had a knife, but that doesn't mean he used his taxi as a weapon and one things for sure, he didn't drive at Nekoo repeatedly, while trying to run him over. :-|


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Minicab driver was 'raging' after fellow driver 'tried to steal his fare'


A minicab driver later found dying in a park was "raging" because he thought someone had tried to steal his fare, a murder trial has heard.

Another private hire driver, David Revels, 44, told the High Court in Edinburgh on Thursday about his fall-out with a man he said was Ebrahim Aryaei Nekoo.

Cabbie Stephen Nolan, 48, Edinburgh, denies murdering Mr Aryaei Nekoo by running him over in the city's Saughton Park on March 12 last year.

Mr Revels, who has been driving for hire for some 15 years, was called by Nolan's legal team as a defence witness. He described how he and another private hire car were accidentally dispatched to pick up the same early morning fare some time during the autumn of 2010.

The other car got there first so Mr Revels let the driver have the job. That was what the "etiquette" recognised by drivers demanded, he said, and he thought all was well.

He told how, some time later, he was parked outside a take-away in Fountainbridge, Edinburgh, when a passing driver braked "very suddenly".

Mr Revels continued: "He stopped his car and came storming over to mine."

He said the other man was Mr Aryaei Nekoo and he was very angry and quite threatening.

He said: "He was goading me out of he car to fight him, to punch him. He was raging. He was trying to get me to punch him."

Mr Revels told the trial he had been called as a witness after speaking to a friend about the Saughton Park incident and his own experience.

Questioned by advocate depute Douglas Fairley QC, prosecuting, Mr Revels agreed the name of Ebrahim Aryaei Nekoo did not appear anywhere in a statement he had given to police two months ago, just a description of the man he had argued with.

Mr Revels insisted it was Mr Aryaei Nekoo because he had recognised his photo in newspaper reports of his death.

The jury is expected to hear closing speeches when the trial continues on Monday.

http://news.stv.tv/scotland/218651-edin ... -his-fare/

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:13 pm 
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20 odd yards from his vehicle.

No evidence of Nolan deliberately or repeatedly running over Mr Angry, who allegedly has previous bouts of irrational behaviour?

Rather than murder, doesn't this just seem a monumental cock-up? A chain of unforeseen events fuelled by rushes of blood of heads?

Doesn't it hardly justify sending someone down for the rest of his natural,

And perhaps the lesson should be learned, the next time an angry cabby comes to the window for some taxiing slight only he understands, rather than heading of for the childish "square go", why not just tell him to grow up?

Such childish bravado just has to be a man thing.

Were I on the jury, I couldn't find Nolan guilty on my best day. In the absence of any reduced charge, and I'm not sure how it could be introduced at this stage (anyone know?) then this cabby should be counting out his float for his next shift.

And, whatever the circumstances here, let's be quite clear that the council have to bear a huge responsibility for the tensions between PH and Taxi drivers. By allowing PH unfettered expansion, while restricting the rights of cabbies to do the same, and that's just simple equality being denied, is there any wonder the tensions exist?

As an aside, why would anyone want to vote to live in an independent country where the governing party deliberately denies individuals fundamental human rights?

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As an aside, why would anyone want to vote to live in an independent country where the governing party deliberately denies individuals fundamental human rights?


It's a bit desperate trying to make political capital out of this Jas. But since you brought it up, do you mean like the UK does?
Retrospective legislation? http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2013/ ... -poundland
Abandoning human rights ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-21726612

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Not at all desperate, just plain simple fact.

There is no level playing field in Scotland, although the overwhelming majority of the rest of the UK LAs do NOT restrict taxis. And I know you know this.

But Salmond does. MacAskill does. And Steve Cardownie does. And Cardownie is in bed with PH. As far as I am still aware he is in bed with ECPH. And Woodburn, surprise surprise, joined the coven, he joined the SNP. So we have a cabal here dedicated to preserving the interests of Private Hire.

Which means that the future for the taxi trade in Scotland can only be poor, as the SNP promote PH. An independent Scotland will deliver unfettered private hire, where drivers will struggle to make a living as the blood sucking PH controllers suck them dry. I know, because I've witnessed it in action.

A private hire where drivers are forced to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. The guy I worked with did precisely this, and he still couldn't bring the car back on time. I had to ask the controller to find out where he was, while I sat outside the office until an hour after my supposed shift start. These guys, mainly new immigrants are desperate, and they do it despite being ripped off by company owners.

21 and a half hours on the road, a retrun journey down the A9, this is where the SNP's promotion of PH is going. Someone is going to die on our roads because of this. the blood will be on Salmond's hands. This is what happens when you drive standards down.

Now go to the fancy desks in the airport, be impressed with the presentation. And then look to the reality of what actually happens on the road.

The PH guy under the taxi is the result of tensions within the trade. tensions designed by the council. By the Scottish parliament. It has happened before. It will happen again.

We can't make a living without working to the detriment of our own and the public's safety. But rentals haven't come down with the dip in trade. The only out is to allow drivers to work their own vehicle, at the times the public need them to.

The SNP will not allow this to happen. Because it doesn't serve their political interests.

Now, consider MacAskill. This guy is legally trained. As even a merely competent legal practitioner he would earn a fortune in his profession. So why is he languishing in the relatively poorly paid position of an MSP?

Couldn't be that his earnings are like an iceberg. We get to see the small, one ninth, part above water level - with a huge, eight ninths, unseen portion secreted below scrutiny level. I don't know. I merely ask the question.

But in my opinion, MacAskill has no political integrity, his alleged meanderings with dizzy dougie (if true) suggest this, 9and let's also go nowhere near his "curious" handling of the Megrahi matter, so he's not in politics for altruistic reasons. So what other reason can there be? I'm open to suggestions.

With guys like this at the helm, Scotland's head will overcome its heart, it will vote NO to this independence question. End of. Get used to it.

BTW When I get the reply to my letter to Salmond, I may well publish it here.

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Her's another aspect Gusmac.

Our SNP controllers have just joined all of our police forces into one body. One police force because Scotland is a small country.

So, why do we need 38 different taxi policies in this small country?

If policing doesn't need a local solution, why does taxi licensing?

Couldn't be because there is a benefit from localising licensing, but not from an incorruptible police force, could it?

Licensing is a disgrace in Scotland. Whereas it was instituted to maintain standards, its now used by councils to exercise draconian control.

Our local authorities have more power than Parliament, afforded them by their hiding behind terms like, "exercising their discretion", "fit and proper" "As they see fit" "balance of probability" (none of which have a proper formal legal definition) and conducting themselves in secret trials which would only have had a place in cold war, eastern Europe.

Our councils are out of control, aided and abetted by national politicians, particularly the SNP, but Labour and the Lib Dems are equally responsible, the Tories less so.

Rein them in Gusmac, show that government would truly be in the interests of the prols, and ask the Independence question again.

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Not at all desperate, just plain simple fact.

There is no level playing field in Scotland, although the overwhelming majority of the rest of the UL LAs do NOT restrict taxis. And I know you know this.

But Salmond does. MacAskill does. And Steve Cardownie does. And Cardownie is in bed with PH. As far as I am still aware he is in bed with ECPH. And Woodburn, surprise surprise, joined the coven, he joined the SNP. So we have a cabal here dedicated to preserving the interests of Private Hire.

Which means that the future for the taxi trade in Scotland can only be poor, as the SNP promote PH. An independent Scotland will deliver unfettered private hire, where drivers will struggle to make a living as the blood sucking PH controllers suck them dry. I know, because I've witnessed it in action.

A private hire where drivers are forced to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. The guy I worked with did precisely this, and he still couldn't bring the taxi back on time. I had to ask the controller to find out where he was, while I sat outside the office until an hour after my supposed shift start. These guys, mainly new immigrants are desperate, and they do it despite being ripped off by company owners.

21 and a half hours on the road, a retrun journey down the A9, this is where the SNP's propmotion of PH is going. Someone is going to die on our roads because of this. the blood will be on Salmond's hands. This is what happens when you drive standards down.

Now go to the fancy desks in the airport, be impressed with the presentation. And then look to the reality of what actually happens on the road.

The PH guy under the taxi is the result of tensions within the trade. tensions designed by the council. By the Scottish parliament. It has happened before. It will happen again.

We can't make a living without working to the detriment of our own and the public's safety. But rentals haven't come down with the dip in trade. The only out is to allow drivers to work their own vehicle, at the times the public need them to.

The SNP will not allow this to happen. Because it doesn't serve their political interests.

Now, consider MacAskill. This guy is legally trained. As even a merely competent legal practitioner he would earn a fortune in his profession. So why is he languishing in the relatively poorly paid position of an MSP?

Couldn't be that his earnings are like an iceberg. We get to see the small part above water level - with a huge unseen portion secreted below water level. I don't know. I merely ask the question.

But in my opinion, MacAskill has no political integrity, his alleged meanderings with dizzy dougie (if true) suggest this, so he's not in politics for altruistic reasons. So what other reason can there be?

Scotland will vote NO to this independence question. End of. Get used to it.

BTW When I get the reply to my letter to Salmond, I may well publish it here.


Firstly, I think you are just plain wrong hijacking this thread to make a political point. You could have started another thread to make the same claims.

Second, Taxi restriction in Scotland has been around for many years, practised by your unionist friends as well as nationalists. It's not a party policy for any of them to oppose it.
The SNP led administration in Aberdeen did not restrict taxi numbers, yet one of the first acts of the current Labour administration was to do exactly that. Go figure #-o

BTW We have had unfettered PH since the 1982 act came into force. No one has to deliver it. We were handed it by Westminster in 1982.
Are you suggesting PH drivers should have access to the tools of their trade fettered? I thought you opposed such things?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 23, 2013 3:58 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Jasbar wrote:
Not at all desperate, just plain simple fact.

There is no level playing field in Scotland, although the overwhelming majority of the rest of the UL LAs do NOT restrict taxis. And I know you know this.

But Salmond does. MacAskill does. And Steve Cardownie does. And Cardownie is in bed with PH. As far as I am still aware he is in bed with ECPH. And Woodburn, surprise surprise, joined the coven, he joined the SNP. So we have a cabal here dedicated to preserving the interests of Private Hire.

Which means that the future for the taxi trade in Scotland can only be poor, as the SNP promote PH. An independent Scotland will deliver unfettered private hire, where drivers will struggle to make a living as the blood sucking PH controllers suck them dry. I know, because I've witnessed it in action.

A private hire where drivers are forced to work 12 hours a day 7 days a week. The guy I worked with did precisely this, and he still couldn't bring the taxi back on time. I had to ask the controller to find out where he was, while I sat outside the office until an hour after my supposed shift start. These guys, mainly new immigrants are desperate, and they do it despite being ripped off by company owners.

21 and a half hours on the road, a retrun journey down the A9, this is where the SNP's propmotion of PH is going. Someone is going to die on our roads because of this. the blood will be on Salmond's hands. This is what happens when you drive standards down.

Now go to the fancy desks in the airport, be impressed with the presentation. And then look to the reality of what actually happens on the road.

The PH guy under the taxi is the result of tensions within the trade. tensions designed by the council. By the Scottish parliament. It has happened before. It will happen again.

We can't make a living without working to the detriment of our own and the public's safety. But rentals haven't come down with the dip in trade. The only out is to allow drivers to work their own vehicle, at the times the public need them to.

The SNP will not allow this to happen. Because it doesn't serve their political interests.

Now, consider MacAskill. This guy is legally trained. As even a merely competent legal practitioner he would earn a fortune in his profession. So why is he languishing in the relatively poorly paid position of an MSP?

Couldn't be that his earnings are like an iceberg. We get to see the small part above water level - with a huge unseen portion secreted below water level. I don't know. I merely ask the question.

But in my opinion, MacAskill has no political integrity, his alleged meanderings with dizzy dougie (if true) suggest this, so he's not in politics for altruistic reasons. So what other reason can there be?

Scotland will vote NO to this independence question. End of. Get used to it.

BTW When I get the reply to my letter to Salmond, I may well publish it here.


Firstly, I think you are just plain wrong hijacking this thread to make a political point. You could have started another thread to make the same claims.

Second, Taxi restriction in Scotland has been around for many years, practised by your unionist friends as well as nationalists. It's not a party policy for any of them to oppose it.
The SNP led administration in Aberdeen did not restrict taxi numbers, yet one of the first acts of the current Labour administration was to do exactly that. Go figure #-o

BTW We have had unfettered PH since the 1982 act came into force. No one has to deliver it. We were handed it by Westminster in 1982.
Are you suggesting PH drivers should have access to the tools of their trade fettered? I thought you opposed such things?


1. Politics has no separate thread. When you make comment, it is legitimate for the political aspects to be discussed at that point.

2. I don't exclude Labour from the machinations of restriction. It is to their eternal shame that they sought to restrict the aspirations of workers. But the, Labour haven't represented workers for 30 years, ever since they realised they would have to dump worker interests and serve the interests of the capitalist class if they ever wanted to be elected. However, The Tories, particularly on Edinburgh's council, have always voted against restriction. To their singular credit.

3. Don't care about Aberdeen. The point of Labour there is answered in 2 above. But I would say that Aberdeen didn't have the machinations of scumbag Cardownie to consider. A reprobate who jumped ship from Labour to SNP, and didn't resign his seat and offer himself for re-election. The man is a complete scumbag, renowned for his dubious business dealings and personal matters. That I am denied unfettered access to the tools of my trade by the likes of him speaks volumes about our SNP controlled society.

4. When the 1982 act came in we have less than 200 PH in Edinburgh. We now have over 1000. At a whim, a company like ECPH, who have just won control of the airport, can put on another 50 cars. They have already done this. That's around another 100 ill-trained, exploitable drivers, taking work away from professionally trained cabbies.

5. I don't want PH drivers access to the tools of their trade fettered. But I don't want mine either. The fare paying public should decide, not controlling interests in the SNP. I believe the public will choose wisely.

6. I'm amazed you didn't recognise the need to defend against my denigration of the scumbags in your party. very curious.

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