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 Post subject: The Usual Suspects
PostPosted: Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:43 pm 
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No surprises on here then, it's the Usual Suspects. Busytodaycabbie, gusmac and of course Jasbar. Well done to Artur and Molsey for quickly identifying that all Jasber is concerned with is his own self importance or lack of it. I can't wait to see the reply from Alex Salmond, it won't take long to read, two words I'm guessing.

So how's the Taxi Trade doing? Any surprises? C'mon Fat Boab, what's happening?

Alex Salmond, I'm [edited by admin] myself here :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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Welcome to the site kaiser soze. Jasbar never answers a question put to him. He's probably hoping salmond gets him in to run the world.
You ask about the taxi trade? I have a concern.
What is with the middle aged cabbies wearing caps and bunnets?? Is this in fashion? They look ridiculous.
Bet Jasbar owns a bowler hat!

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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I know what you mean. There are a few in the "bunnet" wearing crew!

You've got to laugh at Jasbar, full of self importance. Does anyone know if Jasbar has ever held his own plate? I've heard he has. If he has how can he justify his views regarding de-restriction etc. if he did have one he's also sold one so is hypocritical to say its illegal to own a plate or they have no value. He should give the money he received for his plate to charity.

I think his best bet is to list the letter he gets from Alex Salmond on eBay and buy a plate with the profit. You don't always have to buy a set of plates, you can get a single plate from M&S etc.

F&ck me I'm still laughing.
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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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Just a thought.....kaiser are you jasbar?? Is this some sort of mixed up mind games??
Jasbar really should post his masterpiece to Alex Salmond on here....

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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You got me Artur. Your good you are.

I will post it ASAP.

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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Kaiser Soze wrote:
I know what you mean. There are a few in the "bunnet" wearing crew!

You've got to laugh at Jasbar, full of self importance. Does anyone know if Jasbar has ever held his own plate? I've heard he has. If he has how can he justify his views regarding de-restriction etc. if he did have one he's also sold one so is hypocritical to say its illegal to own a plate or they have no value. He should give the money he received for his plate to charity.

I think his best bet is to list the letter he gets from Alex Salmond on eBay and buy a plate with the profit. You don't always have to buy a set of plates, you can get a single plate from M&S etc.

F&ck me I'm still laughing.
=D>


You can get smartprice 6 for a fiver fae Asda :lol: :lol: :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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All these comments about Jasbar.

Why not have the balls to go up to him at the rank and say it to his face?

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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Sussex wrote:
All these comments about Jasbar.

Why not have the balls to go up to him at the rank and say it to his face?


I've said nothing I wouldn't say to his face, same goes for anyone else for that matter.
But I'm buggered if I'm going to do a 260 mile round trip to do it. :lol:

Somehow though, I don't think it's me you had in mind Sussex?

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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Kaiser Soze wrote:
I know what you mean. There are a few in the "bunnet" wearing crew!

You've got to laugh at Jasbar, full of self importance. Does anyone know if Jasbar has ever held his own plate? I've heard he has. If he has how can he justify his views regarding de-restriction etc. if he did have one he's also sold one so is hypocritical to say its illegal to own a plate or they have no value. He should give the money he received for his plate to charity.

I think his best bet is to list the letter he gets from Alex Salmond on eBay and buy a plate with the profit. You don't always have to buy a set of plates, you can get a single plate from M&S etc.

F&ck me I'm still laughing.
=D>


I've never owned a plate, and even if I had, I would have the same rights of possession as everyone else (Note, not ownership).

Self important? So what. I do what I do for me and mine. You any different?

I justify my views on de-restriction, whether I possessed a plate or not, because it is right and proper that we are ALL treated equally, each with an equal opportunity to address our needs and market, just the same as every market sector.

Licensing exists to maintain proper standards, not so councils can play God with restriction. And we all know that we're not talking about trade interests with restriction, we're talking about the interests of owners who haven't a commercial bone in their body, and who need the bonus of protectionism to operate. Which doesn't happen in other market sectors. So why should it happen with taxis.

What really disappoints me is that half the trade is already de-restricted, its called private hire. They're pseudo cabs taking away the work which should be done by a proper taxi fleet and reaching the critical mass where they are now dictating terms.

Tell me, when was the last time a private hire was done for using the Greenways? They're already in, because the council really knows that they are taxis in all but name. The deputy leader of the council having private hire interests (to the best of my knowledge) favours his ilk. Anyone doubt he's promoting PH interests over taxis?

Meters in PH. Radios removing the need to return to base. Discounted tariffs. Vastly increasing numbers. The doughnut effect where the cab trade surrendered the suburbs. Plating of PH. promoting company names on PH. These are just a few of the things the PH inspired council has allowed to limit the growth of the taxi trade and deny the rights of drivers to at least compete with their own licences.

But what your post proves is that you don't have a scooby about anything to do with the trade. You know nothing about me, although the merest glance on this forum would tell you all you need to know.

I've argued long and hard for justice in this trade. I've been assaulted, threatened, my family has been threatened and denigrated for just being my family. Attempts have been made to sour my working relationship with the owners I've driven for. And despite being a model driver, one succumbed to the pressure and irrationally sacked on the excuse that I said to him that customers were complaining that the heater wasn't working . A thirty bucks heater valve he wasn't prepared to pay for. (Even waiting for hours for the AA in sub zero temperatures and freezing my borlocks off, and having to get my wife out of bed at 2 in the morning so the taxi could be returned to that owner). Yet he was an owner and I'm not allowed to be. He's no longer an owner, he's off doing little or nothing, another taxi trade failure because he couldn't sit in the saddle and his night shift driver's rental wouldn't finance his lifestyle. Yet he was allowed to be an owner and I am not.

All drivers have the right to aspire. It's a national right in a free market economy. taxi drivers in Edinburgh are being denied a fundamental right.

It doesn't get any more complicated than that. And that's why existing owners maintain the status quo. And that really is about self interest.

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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Jasbar you moan about the trade being full of people only concerned for themselves and make a call for unity in the black cab trade. Then you state you're only concerned with your own self interest. Jeezo!
As I've said before why don't you just buy a plate like every other reasonable human being?
You'll argue that you never really own it. I'll counter....do you have a mortgage on your house? Well do ya?

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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Jasbar wrote:
Kaiser Soze wrote:
I know what you mean. There are a few in the "bunnet" wearing crew!

You've got to laugh at Jasbar, full of self importance. Does anyone know if Jasbar has ever held his own plate? I've heard he has. If he has how can he justify his views regarding de-restriction etc. if he did have one he's also sold one so is hypocritical to say its illegal to own a plate or they have no value. He should give the money he received for his plate to charity.

I think his best bet is to list the letter he gets from Alex Salmond on eBay and buy a plate with the profit. You don't always have to buy a set of plates, you can get a single plate from M&S etc.

F&ck me I'm still laughing.
=D>


I've never owned a plate, and even if I had, I would have the same rights of possession as everyone else (Note, not ownership).

Self important? So what. I do what I do for me and mine. You any different?

I justify my views on de-restriction, whether I possessed a plate or not, because it is right and proper that we are ALL treated equally, each with an equal opportunity to address our needs and market, just the same as every market sector.

Licensing exists to maintain proper standards, not so councils can play God with restriction. And we all know that we're not talking about trade interests with restriction, we're talking about the interests of owners who haven't a commercial bone in their body, and who need the bonus of protectionism to operate. Which doesn't happen in other market sectors. So why should it happen with taxis.

What really disappoints me is that half the trade is already de-restricted, its called private hire. They're pseudo cabs taking away the work which should be done by a proper taxi fleet and reaching the critical mass where they are now dictating terms.

Tell me, when was the last time a private hire was done for using the Greenways? They're already in, because the council really knows that they are taxis in all but name. The deputy leader of the council having private hire interests (to the best of my knowledge) favours his ilk. Anyone doubt he's promoting PH interests over taxis?

Meters in PH. Radios removing the need to return to base. Discounted tariffs. Vastly increasing numbers. The doughnut effect where the cab trade surrendered the suburbs. Plating of PH. promoting company names on PH. These are just a few of the things the PH inspired council has allowed to limit the growth of the taxi trade and deny the rights of drivers to at least compete with their own licences.

But what your post proves is that you don't have a scooby about anything to do with the trade. You know nothing about me, although the merest glance on this forum would tell you all you need to know.

I've argued long and hard for justice in this trade. I've been assaulted, threatened, my family has been threatened and denigrated for just being my family. Attempts have been made to sour my working relationship with the owners I've driven for. And despite being a model driver, one succumbed to the pressure and irrationally sacked on the excuse that I said to him that customers were complaining that the heater wasn't working . A thirty bucks heater valve he wasn't prepared to pay for. (Even waiting for hours for the AA in sub zero temperatures and freezing my borlocks off, and having to get my wife out of bed at 2 in the morning so the taxi could be returned to that owner). Yet he was an owner and I'm not allowed to be. He's no longer an owner, he's off doing little or nothing, another taxi trade failure because he couldn't sit in the saddle and his night shift driver's rental wouldn't finance his lifestyle. Yet he was allowed to be an owner and I am not.

All drivers have the right to aspire. It's a national right in a free market economy. taxi drivers in Edinburgh are being denied a fundamental right.

It doesn't get any more complicated than that. And that's why existing owners maintain the status quo. And that really is about self interest.


Let me start Jasbar by saying in no way do I condone any form of aggravation that you or any member of your family have been subjected to, that is wrong. I also agree that every man/woman should be able to have a plate if he so desires. However as it stands at the moment plates are bought and sold, so if you want one Jasbar you buy one like everyone else.

Your argument is that you should be entitled to be given a plate FOC and as you are not it breaks your rights! So you argue for what you want for you! What about the other side? If an individual wants to own their own Taxi and plate then that is their right to do so buy purchasing it from the seller. Do you think it would then be fair for the taxi owners to lose what they have put in not only to provide work and security for their own family but have also given work to drivers by renting their taxi out. Not everyone is business orientated and they just want to drive a taxi and make what they want. They don't want the hassle of it breaking down or dealing with garages, banks, council, cab office etc etc. your view is everyone should have a plate and drive the taxi when they want. There are guys who don't want the hassle. These guys would then be goosed as they wouldn't get a drive. The majority of owners are happy as is.

Keep it as it is.

Your view on the owners having no commercial [edited by admin] to make it in the business world is far fetched. I am an owner and have previously had other businesses and sold when the time was right, I would think that is good business acumen.

Sure times are changing but we have to change with it.

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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Kaiser Soze wrote:

Your argument is that you should be entitled to be given a plate FOC and as you are not it breaks your rights! So you argue for what you want for you! What about the other side? If an individual wants to own their own Taxi and plate then that is their right to do so buy purchasing it from the seller.

Do you think it would then be fair for the taxi owners to lose what they have put in not only to provide work and security for their own family but have also given work to drivers by renting their taxi out. Not everyone is business orientated and they just want to drive a taxi and make what they want.


What part of you can't own a plate don't you understand. You are "buying" something that's not for sale. That's what the 1982 Act states quite clearly. So why would anyone in their right mind want to pay for something that is not theirs? Dearie me.

As for those who did buy into the system and paid good money for something they can't ever own, I have no sympathy. Their stupidity shouldn't be a bar to my intrinsic right to unfettered access to the tools of my trade. Their stupidity doesn't give them the right to fetter my access rights.

They knew exactly waht they were doing. A fool and his money is soon parted.

Get it?

BTW yes they have a right to look out for their interests just as I am. Doesn't make them right.

And they're looking out for their own single rights, I'm claim a right that would benefit ALL drivers potentially. That's hardly looking after only my self interest. In fact, it's almost altruistic given the time and effort I'm expending for the common good.

Now say thank you .... :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: The Usual Suspects
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The taxi trade doesn’t operate in a restricted customer transport market, in the truest sense, as Ph, for all intents and purposes, do the same job. The only real restriction is fettering access to the tools of a qualified driver’s trade. And that’s where your artificial plate value comes from. It is little to do with running a business and all about hiking rentals, which in turn, drives up plate “values.”

As for the licence plate, it’s the property of Edinburgh council, and it can’t be legally sold or transferred, and that’s a simple fact. And that’s not the same as legally buying and owning a licence with an intrinsic value.

If you buy anything, it’s a job. :-|


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gusmac wrote:
Sussex wrote:
All these comments about Jasbar.

Why not have the balls to go up to him at the rank and say it to his face?


I've said nothing I wouldn't say to his face, same goes for anyone else for that matter.
But I'm buggered if I'm going to do a 260 mile round trip to do it. :lol:

Somehow though, I don't think it's me you had in mind Sussex?

I didn't, but if you had issues with someone in your manor, likewise with me with someone in my manor, I suspect we would go and have a chat with them.

In Edinburgh it seems they deal with their issues behind a user name on TDO or the Edinburgh Taxi Forum.

Are there no men up there any more? 8-[

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Sussex wrote:
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Sussex wrote:
All these comments about Jasbar.

Why not have the balls to go up to him at the rank and say it to his face?


I've said nothing I wouldn't say to his face, same goes for anyone else for that matter.
But I'm buggered if I'm going to do a 260 mile round trip to do it. :lol:

Somehow though, I don't think it's me you had in mind Sussex?

I didn't, but if you had issues with someone in your manor, likewise with me with someone in my manor, I suspect we would go and have a chat with them.

In Edinburgh it seems they deal with their issues behind a user name on TDO or the Edinburgh Taxi Forum.

Are there no men up there any more? 8-[


The position in Edinburgh, is one of the vested interests back stabbing anyone who would speak the truth about how the taxi trade operates. They sell a belief system to drivers along with a value structure to maintain their plate "values." You know the drill Sussex, if you pass the brief you are one of the chosen, and if you want to drive your own taxi you must buy one from a "plate owning taxi driving businessman."

Oh and I should say, this is all for the good of the trade. It's no wonder they are confused about losing the Airport contract to Ph. #-o #-o


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