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looking into the faces of those celebrating you really have to wonder how old they actually are.

I mean - I've got a gripe - she did actually snatch my milk - but these cnuts weren't even a apple in their fathers eye when I was being robbed of my state owed milk :lol:

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looking into the faces of those celebrating you really have to wonder how old they actually are.

I mean - I've got a gripe - she did actually snatch my milk - but these cnuts weren't even a apple in their fathers eye when I was being robbed of my state owed milk :lol:


A message to th establishment maybe!!! People are so pizzed off - anyone would do at the moment.

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A message to th establishment maybe!!! People are so pizzed off - anyone would do at the moment.


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PARTY TIME. :D



And I'll even buy the drinks, and before anyone mentions the Falklands they were owned by the Coalite group from Chesterfield who owned the houses, the shipping rights to the Island, the mineral rights, coal, oil and a plethora other minerals that lie un-touched under the Flaklands.


The below is taken from a website of a Journo who reported on Thatcher.

She is the only Prime Minister to have a statue in the House of Commons while still alive. She is the heroine of endless TV and motion picture films, a legend in her own lifetime.

But now that the Iron Lady – so called by a Russian Communist leader, remember – has passed away , we can, and must, begin the necessary inquest into her life and influence. You don’t have to look far for the evidence. It is all about us.

She decimated our basic industries of coal and steel. Shipbuilding virtually disappeared, along with much of heavy engineering. She tried to destroy our free trade unions through repressive legislation, and damn well near succeeded.

She branded miners fighting for their jobs and communities as “the enemy within”, a foul slur on decent working people and their families for which she will never be forgiven.

She made mass unemployment respectable, and used it as a tool of government. The dole queues were “a price worth paying” under her regime – once described as “an elected dictatorship” by one of her own ministers.

She created a new underclass of jobless men, took away their status as breadwinner in the home and forced millions of women back into the workplace so that families could make ends meet. If she was a women’s champion, I am Meryl Streep.

She sold our basic utilities – gas, water, electricity and telephones – and prices soared. She flogged off the buses and railways, and fares went through the roof.

She sold off the council houses and built no new ones, so there are now more than two million families on housing waiting lists.

She enthroned the profit motive, and unleashed the spivs and speculators in the City of London. She surrendered economic policy to the mysterious dark forces of “the market”, which led UK plc into one recession after another that led to the mess where we are today.

She imposed the hated poll tax on the nation, first in Scotland where she made the Tories unelectable for more than a generation. She then thrust it down the throats of the English, prompting the worst riots in London since the disturbances of the early eighties.

She took us into war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands , when her popularity ratings were rock bottom, to save an isolated British colony - and her own political face. On the back of that operation, she won a cynical landslide in the “khaki election” of 1983. Her enthusiasm for war initiated a new era of British militarism that has yet to run its course.

She hated Europe, shouting “No, No, No!” at every opportunity and made Conservatives think and behave like Little Englanders. She took the UK to the sterile margins of the European Union, but in the end the issue did for her premiership. As it may well do for her greatest fan, Dodgy Dave Cameron.

Yet she took Britain into the European Exchange Rate Mechanism in her last year in power at too high a rate of exchange, leading to our humiliating withdrawal on “Black Monday” two years later after the loss of billions of the nation’s reserves.

She tied the nation’s international policy like a tin can to the tail of the attack dog in the White House, President Ronald Reagan, backing his outlandish “Star Wars” system, which came to nothing. She flirted obscenely with the racist apartheid regime in South Africa, opposing UN sanctions and dismissing Nelson Mandela as a commie terrorist. She opposed the reunification of Germany.

In Northern Ireland, she sanctioned a dirty war against Republicans, faced down hunger strikers so that 10 of them died, and delayed the onset of the Peace Process that could have come earlier but had to await the arrival of her successor, John Major, who initiated secret talks with the IRA.

She did her level best to wipe the Labour Party off the face of the political map, and only failed because the British people wouldn’t stand for it. She derided Michael Foot, a man with more decency in his little finger than she had in her whole body.

And, let us not forget, she started it all many years earlier in the 1970’s by stealing the school milk from children in her first Cabinet post as Education Secretary to Prime Minister Edward Heath. She saw him off, too.

Now that she’s gone, it’s fashionable to say that “whatever you think of Maggie, at least you have to admire her for sticking to her guns”.

I repudiate this modish claptrap. Look where she pointed those guns – at those who couldn’t defend themselves, their jobs and their way of life. The pitmen, the steel workers, the rail employees, the hundreds of thousands of employees in state sector business thrown on the scrapheap in the name of privatised profits. Businesses now – like water and electricity – largely in the hands of foreign owners ripping off the British consumer.

I lived through the Thatcher years as a London-based journalist for The Times and The Observer, when I reported on all the major industrial, political and social upheavals of her rule.

I do not look back on those times through the rose-tinted spectacles of her admirers. I remember instead the young lads throwing themselves off the Tyne bridges in Newcastle because they had no work.

I remember instead the despair in the inner cities that triggered riots, the hopelessness of the industrial communities devastated by her policies, and the social alienation caused by her “me first” selfish individualism.

And I reflect today on the social and cultural impact of her long rule, a decade that subverted the British way of life vastly more effectively than any of her imagined “enemies within”.

Her baleful political influence spread far beyond her own party. It infected Labour, creating a generation of leaders who largely accepted the Thatcher legacy and built on it.

So, even after she blubbed her way out of Downing Street in November 1990, her domination of public life continued. It is still with us today, in the cuts strategy of the Tory-led government and its relentless attacks on women, working people and the poor. Thatcher may be gone, but Thatcherism flourishes.

Labour has still not disowned her baleful inheritance. Now would be a very good time to start, when she can no longer be wheeled out like a ghastly spectre of yesteryear.

And if anyone is inclined to remind me that one should not speak ill of the dead, let me remind them that she had nothing good to say about us while she was alive.

Any man over 25 who travelled by bus was a failure, she once remarked, dismissing at a stroke working people who have to use her privatised public transport today. That was classic Thatcher, from a woman who famously said “Home is where you come to when you have nothing better to do.” How many homes felt the lash of her “winner takes all” view of the world, I wonder?

It all seems a long time ago, and they say the past is another country. But it wasn’t. It was right here, and my generation had to live with it. Those coming after us, particularly today’s jobless young people and students crushed under a burden of debt, should know how this commercialisation of our way of life came about.


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PARTY TIME. :D



And I'll even buy the drinks, and before anyone mentions the Falklands they were owned by the Coalite group from Chesterfield who owned the houses, the shipping rights to the Island, the mineral rights, coal, oil and a plethora other minerals that lie un-touched under the Flaklands.


The below is taken from a website of a Journo who reported on Thatcher.

She is the only Prime Minister to have a statue in the House of Commons while still alive. She is the heroine of endless TV and motion picture films, a legend in her own lifetime.

But now that the Iron Lady – so called by a Russian Communist leader, remember – has passed away , we can, and must, begin the necessary inquest into her life and influence. You don’t have to look far for the evidence. It is all about us.

She decimated our basic industries of coal and steel. Shipbuilding virtually disappeared, along with much of heavy engineering. She tried to destroy our free trade unions through repressive legislation, and damn well near succeeded.

She branded miners fighting for their jobs and communities as “the enemy within”, a foul slur on decent working people and their families for which she will never be forgiven.

She made mass unemployment respectable, and used it as a tool of government. The dole queues were “a price worth paying” under her regime – once described as “an elected dictatorship” by one of her own ministers.

She created a new underclass of jobless men, took away their status as breadwinner in the home and forced millions of women back into the workplace so that families could make ends meet. If she was a women’s champion, I am Meryl Streep.

She sold our basic utilities – gas, water, electricity and telephones – and prices soared. She flogged off the buses and railways, and fares went through the roof.

She sold off the council houses and built no new ones, so there are now more than two million families on housing waiting lists.

She enthroned the profit motive, and unleashed the spivs and speculators in the City of London. She surrendered economic policy to the mysterious dark forces of “the market”, which led UK plc into one recession after another that led to the mess where we are today.

She imposed the hated poll tax on the nation, first in Scotland where she made the Tories unelectable for more than a generation. She then thrust it down the throats of the English, prompting the worst riots in London since the disturbances of the early eighties.

She took us into war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands , when her popularity ratings were rock bottom, to save an isolated British colony - and her own political face. On the back of that operation, she won a cynical landslide in the “khaki election” of 1983. Her enthusiasm for war initiated a new era of British militarism that has yet to run its course.

She hated Europe, shouting “No, No, No!” at every opportunity and made Conservatives think and behave like Little Englanders. She took the UK to the sterile margins of the European Union, but in the end the issue did for her premiership. As it may well do for her greatest fan, Dodgy Dave Cameron.

Yet she took Britain into the European Exchange Rate Mechanism in her last year in power at too high a rate of exchange, leading to our humiliating withdrawal on “Black Monday” two years later after the loss of billions of the nation’s reserves.

She tied the nation’s international policy like a tin can to the tail of the attack dog in the White House, President Ronald Reagan, backing his outlandish “Star Wars” system, which came to nothing. She flirted obscenely with the racist apartheid regime in South Africa, opposing UN sanctions and dismissing Nelson Mandela as a commie terrorist. She opposed the reunification of Germany.

In Northern Ireland, she sanctioned a dirty war against Republicans, faced down hunger strikers so that 10 of them died, and delayed the onset of the Peace Process that could have come earlier but had to await the arrival of her successor, John Major, who initiated secret talks with the IRA.

She did her level best to wipe the Labour Party off the face of the political map, and only failed because the British people wouldn’t stand for it. She derided Michael Foot, a man with more decency in his little finger than she had in her whole body.

And, let us not forget, she started it all many years earlier in the 1970’s by stealing the school milk from children in her first Cabinet post as Education Secretary to Prime Minister Edward Heath. She saw him off, too.

Now that she’s gone, it’s fashionable to say that “whatever you think of Maggie, at least you have to admire her for sticking to her guns”.

I repudiate this modish claptrap. Look where she pointed those guns – at those who couldn’t defend themselves, their jobs and their way of life. The pitmen, the steel workers, the rail employees, the hundreds of thousands of employees in state sector business thrown on the scrapheap in the name of privatised profits. Businesses now – like water and electricity – largely in the hands of foreign owners ripping off the British consumer.

I lived through the Thatcher years as a London-based journalist for The Times and The Observer, when I reported on all the major industrial, political and social upheavals of her rule.

I do not look back on those times through the rose-tinted spectacles of her admirers. I remember instead the young lads throwing themselves off the Tyne bridges in Newcastle because they had no work.

I remember instead the despair in the inner cities that triggered riots, the hopelessness of the industrial communities devastated by her policies, and the social alienation caused by her “me first” selfish individualism.

And I reflect today on the social and cultural impact of her long rule, a decade that subverted the British way of life vastly more effectively than any of her imagined “enemies within”.

Her baleful political influence spread far beyond her own party. It infected Labour, creating a generation of leaders who largely accepted the Thatcher legacy and built on it.

So, even after she blubbed her way out of Downing Street in November 1990, her domination of public life continued. It is still with us today, in the cuts strategy of the Tory-led government and its relentless attacks on women, working people and the poor. Thatcher may be gone, but Thatcherism flourishes.

Labour has still not disowned her baleful inheritance. Now would be a very good time to start, when she can no longer be wheeled out like a ghastly spectre of yesteryear.

And if anyone is inclined to remind me that one should not speak ill of the dead, let me remind them that she had nothing good to say about us while she was alive.

Any man over 25 who travelled by bus was a failure, she once remarked, dismissing at a stroke working people who have to use her privatised public transport today. That was classic Thatcher, from a woman who famously said “Home is where you come to when you have nothing better to do.” How many homes felt the lash of her “winner takes all” view of the world, I wonder?

It all seems a long time ago, and they say the past is another country. But it wasn’t. It was right here, and my generation had to live with it. Those coming after us, particularly today’s jobless young people and students crushed under a burden of debt, should know how this commercialisation of our way of life came about.


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PARTY TIME. :D

Thought you would have more respect! How would you feel if you were Carol or Mark having just lost their mum!!
Also, even your god Mr Salmond paid respects to Britains first female Prime minister! :evil: :evil:

Would that be the Mark Thatcher who was behind a military coup attempt in Africa, and got away unscathed because of who mummy was? Respect has to be earned, it is not a free gift.


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Can someone remind me how many socialist governments there have been since 1979?



None - but people can still remember what a sh*t state the country was in back in 1979.

I'm not going to condemn Thatcher for doing what she did - even though I disagree strongly - because to me condemning her is a little like condemning a lion for ripping apart an antelope - that's what lions do - that's what tories do.

The country has had 23 years to reverse what she did - to repeal the anti union laws - re-nationalise certain industries.

If anything the country is in a worse state now due to the legacy of the last labour governments than they ever were under Thatcher - I can't remember Thatcher leading the country into illegal wars - although she did prop up illegal regimes - a bit like the people before her who put them into power in the first place.

Indeed, in terms of wealth the country is less equal now than it ever was under Thatcher, whilst some may say she started it, it didn't mean it had to carry on.

What the hell was the Falklands conflict about then Capt. It was easily avoidable. But she was a long way down in the polls and needed a boost. That boost was paid for in the blood of British and Argentinian servicemen and women so that she could win an election.


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http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-dead-video-cheering-1818888

looking into the faces of those celebrating you really have to wonder how old they actually are.

I mean - I've got a gripe - she did actually snatch my milk - but these cnuts weren't even a apple in their fathers eye when I was being robbed of my state owed milk :lol:


And there's the nub of the problem.

Because her legacy is one of more for the privileged, at the expense of the rest of us.

The CGSA 1982 is a case in point. If anyone has read it they would realise the monument to power the Tories delivered.

It is designed to give as much latitude as needed for councils to wield draconian power, and they have used it to do precisely that.

"Fit and proper" has no legal definition. It allows councils to make it up as they go along. They do whatever they like to whomsoever they like whenever they have a mind to. And its no accident, it was deliberate Thatcher dogma.

Foreign policy, the draconian Home Office, Fiscal policy, Taxation, worker's rights and representation, all directly affect now those who didn't live through Thatcher at the height of her control.

Her successors, the tories, the labour tories and the lib-dem tories have embraced that legacy, and are using it to shaft us, exert overbearing control over us and subjecting to the penury of their politics of rich greed and power.

Thatcher is a symbol of everything that is bad about capitalism today. Millions have taken to the streets down through the years in protest. That disgust for the system doesn't go away overnight. And the way our government is ruling us, it won't be going away any time soon.

Her legacy is held to be that there is no such thing as society. Just the power of privileged and the rich to control, to preserve their profits.

I believe she also changed the face of politics forever. Government is no long about the competing interests of the rich and the poor, the haves and have nots, the left and the right. No, Thatcher brought to us the politics of control; those who do, and those who are controlled, the power brokers and the herd.

Party politics is dead. It's no longer possible to differentiate between one political band of brigands and another. Tories, labour tories and lib-dem tories, they're all the same. There's no longer any point voting, because the establishment clone, the system stooge gets "elected" whichever shade of blue is voted for.

In France the barricades would be up already. Brits don't have the bottle - so far.

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btw while I do sympathise with her family, you can't pick your rellies, I do hope the odious bitch is rotting in HELL!

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Can someone remind me how many socialist governments there have been since 1979?



None - but people can still remember what a sh*t state the country was in back in 1979.

I'm not going to condemn Thatcher for doing what she did - even though I disagree strongly - because to me condemning her is a little like condemning a lion for ripping apart an antelope - that's what lions do - that's what tories do.

The country has had 23 years to reverse what she did - to repeal the anti union laws - re-nationalise certain industries.

If anything the country is in a worse state now due to the legacy of the last labour governments than they ever were under Thatcher - I can't remember Thatcher leading the country into illegal wars - although she did prop up illegal regimes - a bit like the people before her who put them into power in the first place.

Indeed, in terms of wealth the country is less equal now than it ever was under Thatcher, whilst some may say she started it, it didn't mean it had to carry on.

What the hell was the Falklands conflict about then Capt. It was easily avoidable. But she was a long way down in the polls and needed a boost. That boost was paid for in the blood of British and Argentinian servicemen and women so that she could win an election.



Before anyone mentions the Falklands don't believe all the perceived 'wisdom' regarding the Falklands which was virtually wholly owned by the Coalite Group of Bolsover. I have a collection of documents and books about the conflict and the background to it. Particularly valued are the signed books written by Tam Dalyell about the war.

Thatcher's real motivation behind the war was very different. It was the defence of Britain’s prestige as an imperialist power and its geo-political interests. It was the natural resources of the region, in particular oil, however, which was there from the start—as was the oil lobby. In fact oil reserves had been found between the Falklands and Argentina four years earlier and this was emerging as a potential game changer in the region.

It was no accident, therefore, that most of the Falklands was already owned by an energy company, part of the Coalite Group of Bolsover. With an eye to the potential energy they had taken over the Falkland Islands Company in 1973 (at the time of the Middle East oil crisis) and the first oil was found by Shell, working with them, a few years later.

In fact the Falkland Islands were a company operation from top to bottom. Coalite owned 50% of all Falklands land outright and another 25% though interlinked directorships. They also owned all the shops, most of the houses, the bank, and the shipping line which linked the Islands with Britain. Most people on the Islands worked for them and lived in tied cottages supplied by them.

The Falkland Islands Company was hived off when it was asset stripped before the group's problems led to its liquidation.

More to the Falklands than meets the eye.


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What the hell was the Falklands conflict about then Capt. It was easily avoidable. But she was a long way down in the polls and needed a boost. That boost was paid for in the blood of British and Argentinian servicemen and women so that she could win an election.


I did post this on page 6;

One of the ironies is the Falklands war - the thing that made her the Iron lady was brought about by her own governments defence cuts - if the Argentinians had waited one month or the cuts hadn't happened, British History would be different.

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Before anyone mentions the Falklands don't believe all the perceived 'wisdom' regarding the Falklands which was virtually wholly owned by the Coalite Group of Bolsover. I have a collection of documents and books about the conflict and the background to it. Particularly valued are the signed books written by Tam Dalyell about the war.

Thatcher's real motivation behind the war was very different. It was the defence of Britain’s prestige as an imperialist power and its geo-political interests. It was the natural resources of the region, in particular oil, however, which was there from the start—as was the oil lobby. In fact oil reserves had been found between the Falklands and Argentina four years earlier and this was emerging as a potential game changer in the region.

It was no accident, therefore, that most of the Falklands was already owned by an energy company, part of the Coalite Group of Bolsover. With an eye to the potential energy they had taken over the Falkland Islands Company in 1973 (at the time of the Middle East oil crisis) and the first oil was found by Shell, working with them, a few years later.

In fact the Falkland Islands were a company operation from top to bottom. Coalite owned 50% of all Falklands land outright and another 25% though interlinked directorships. They also owned all the shops, most of the houses, the bank, and the shipping line which linked the Islands with Britain. Most people on the Islands worked for them and lived in tied cottages supplied by them.

The Falkland Islands Company was hived off when it was asset stripped before the group's problems led to its liquidation.

More to the Falklands than meets the eye.


Didn't know that - but surely if she thought that much of it she'd have defended it better?

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Did you miss the question about what did she do that has since been changed?


The poll tax?

So that's the sum total, and didn't the Tories change that themselves.

My point is the complete lack of change to union laws, even when we had 10 years of Labour.

Even Red Ed isn't proposing going back.

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PARTY TIME. :D



And I'll even buy the drinks, and before anyone mentions the Falklands they were owned by the Coalite group from Chesterfield who owned the houses, the shipping rights to the Island, the mineral rights, coal, oil and a plethora other minerals that lie un-touched under the Flaklands.


The below is taken from a website of a Journo who reported on Thatcher.

She is the only Prime Minister to have a statue in the House of Commons while still alive. She is the heroine of endless TV and motion picture films, a legend in her own lifetime.

But now that the Iron Lady – so called by a Russian Communist leader, remember – has passed away , we can, and must, begin the necessary inquest into her life and influence. You don’t have to look far for the evidence. It is all about us.

She decimated our basic industries of coal and steel. Shipbuilding virtually disappeared, along with much of heavy engineering. She tried to destroy our free trade unions through repressive legislation, and damn well near succeeded.

She branded miners fighting for their jobs and communities as “the enemy within”, a foul slur on decent working people and their families for which she will never be forgiven.

She made mass unemployment respectable, and used it as a tool of government. The dole queues were “a price worth paying” under her regime – once described as “an elected dictatorship” by one of her own ministers.

She created a new underclass of jobless men, took away their status as breadwinner in the home and forced millions of women back into the workplace so that families could make ends meet. If she was a women’s champion, I am Meryl Streep.

She sold our basic utilities – gas, water, electricity and telephones – and prices soared. She flogged off the buses and railways, and fares went through the roof.

She sold off the council houses and built no new ones, so there are now more than two million families on housing waiting lists.

She enthroned the profit motive, and unleashed the spivs and speculators in the City of London. She surrendered economic policy to the mysterious dark forces of “the market”, which led UK plc into one recession after another that led to the mess where we are today.

She imposed the hated poll tax on the nation, first in Scotland where she made the Tories unelectable for more than a generation. She then thrust it down the throats of the English, prompting the worst riots in London since the disturbances of the early eighties.

She took us into war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands , when her popularity ratings were rock bottom, to save an isolated British colony - and her own political face. On the back of that operation, she won a cynical landslide in the “khaki election” of 1983. Her enthusiasm for war initiated a new era of British militarism that has yet to run its course.

She hated Europe, shouting “No, No, No!” at every opportunity and made Conservatives think and behave like Little Englanders. She took the UK to the sterile margins of the European Union, but in the end the issue did for her premiership. As it may well do for her greatest fan, Dodgy Dave Cameron.

Yet she took Britain into the European Exchange Rate Mechanism in her last year in power at too high a rate of exchange, leading to our humiliating withdrawal on “Black Monday” two years later after the loss of billions of the nation’s reserves.

She tied the nation’s international policy like a tin can to the tail of the attack dog in the White House, President Ronald Reagan, backing his outlandish “Star Wars” system, which came to nothing. She flirted obscenely with the racist apartheid regime in South Africa, opposing UN sanctions and dismissing Nelson Mandela as a commie terrorist. She opposed the reunification of Germany.

In Northern Ireland, she sanctioned a dirty war against Republicans, faced down hunger strikers so that 10 of them died, and delayed the onset of the Peace Process that could have come earlier but had to await the arrival of her successor, John Major, who initiated secret talks with the IRA.

She did her level best to wipe the Labour Party off the face of the political map, and only failed because the British people wouldn’t stand for it. She derided Michael Foot, a man with more decency in his little finger than she had in her whole body.

And, let us not forget, she started it all many years earlier in the 1970’s by stealing the school milk from children in her first Cabinet post as Education Secretary to Prime Minister Edward Heath. She saw him off, too.

Now that she’s gone, it’s fashionable to say that “whatever you think of Maggie, at least you have to admire her for sticking to her guns”.

I repudiate this modish claptrap. Look where she pointed those guns – at those who couldn’t defend themselves, their jobs and their way of life. The pitmen, the steel workers, the rail employees, the hundreds of thousands of employees in state sector business thrown on the scrapheap in the name of privatised profits. Businesses now – like water and electricity – largely in the hands of foreign owners ripping off the British consumer.

I lived through the Thatcher years as a London-based journalist for The Times and The Observer, when I reported on all the major industrial, political and social upheavals of her rule.

I do not look back on those times through the rose-tinted spectacles of her admirers. I remember instead the young lads throwing themselves off the Tyne bridges in Newcastle because they had no work.

I remember instead the despair in the inner cities that triggered riots, the hopelessness of the industrial communities devastated by her policies, and the social alienation caused by her “me first” selfish individualism.

And I reflect today on the social and cultural impact of her long rule, a decade that subverted the British way of life vastly more effectively than any of her imagined “enemies within”.

Her baleful political influence spread far beyond her own party. It infected Labour, creating a generation of leaders who largely accepted the Thatcher legacy and built on it.

So, even after she blubbed her way out of Downing Street in November 1990, her domination of public life continued. It is still with us today, in the cuts strategy of the Tory-led government and its relentless attacks on women, working people and the poor. Thatcher may be gone, but Thatcherism flourishes.

Labour has still not disowned her baleful inheritance. Now would be a very good time to start, when she can no longer be wheeled out like a ghastly spectre of yesteryear.

And if anyone is inclined to remind me that one should not speak ill of the dead, let me remind them that she had nothing good to say about us while she was alive.

Any man over 25 who travelled by bus was a failure, she once remarked, dismissing at a stroke working people who have to use her privatised public transport today. That was classic Thatcher, from a woman who famously said “Home is where you come to when you have nothing better to do.” How many homes felt the lash of her “winner takes all” view of the world, I wonder?

It all seems a long time ago, and they say the past is another country. But it wasn’t. It was right here, and my generation had to live with it. Those coming after us, particularly today’s jobless young people and students crushed under a burden of debt, should know how this commercialisation of our way of life came about.


This guy puts it very well an ex Observer journo evidently! strangely I was working there on the Observer

the day the Bitch was elected, any way shes gone rejoice and after I have sobered up its on with the fight for a socialist government for me :D



I will keep you all posted on the demos being planned for this Bitches funeral which for sure i will be joining and no doubt having a great gargle at :badgrin: :badgrin:
ROT IN HELL BITCH =D> =D> =D> =D> :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :D :D :D :D :D :D :badgrin: :badgrin: :badgrin:

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My point is the complete lack of change to union laws, even when we had 10 years of Labour.



As Jaspar says - they are all the same!!

In Parliament sessions they all Talk the talk for their constituents........."look at me, I am on your side and doing my bit"!! Once they are elected, they know that the legislation passed, benefits them or the government of the day - since when does a politician care about you or I once elected.

This line was apparently once said; A constituent once approached a politician that they had helped to vote in, and reminded that person of his policies! His answer was..............You voted me in - you now have to allow me to do my job!!

The bottom line being........ once you have cast your vote - you can now f%*k off.

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