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 Post subject: School Contract's
PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:28 am 
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Im sure this item will have been listed before but would like the Legal Eagels
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I was speaking to a fellow driver last night and she told me the transport section of the council have cut her contract to transport students to a special school

Removing a girl who is now taken by her Grandfather in his private Car and they now pay him direct Is this legal

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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Family may transport pupils, some councils offer support for this, 25p per loaded mile

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The payment of travelling expenses (this might include the reimbursement of bus or train fares, or a petrol or cycling allowance at a rate determined by the Authority)


http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/educati ... /home.aspx

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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wannabeeahack wrote:
Family may transport pupils, some councils offer support for this, 25p per loaded mile

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The payment of travelling expenses (this might include the reimbursement of bus or train fares, or a petrol or cycling allowance at a rate determined by the Authority)


http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/educati ... /home.aspx



Thanks for that just checking another way of councils eroding work to contract drivers


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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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Blackcab Bob wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
Family may transport pupils, some councils offer support for this, 25p per loaded mile

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The payment of travelling expenses (this might include the reimbursement of bus or train fares, or a petrol or cycling allowance at a rate determined by the Authority)


http://www.staffordshire.gov.uk/educati ... /home.aspx



Thanks for that just checking another way of councils eroding work to contract drivers


some would say its only peanuts anyway (not me!)

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
PostPosted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:57 pm 
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Blackcab Bob wrote:
Im sure this item will have been listed before but would like the Legal Eagels
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I was speaking to a fellow driver last night and she told me the transport section of the council have cut her contract to transport students to a special school

Removing a girl who is now taken by her Grandfather in his private Car and they now pay him direct Is this legal

I think it's happening more and more.

If they pay more than 40p a mile then the volunteer scam becomes illegal.

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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Sussex wrote:
Blackcab Bob wrote:
Im sure this item will have been listed before but would like the Legal Eagels
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I was speaking to a fellow driver last night and she told me the transport section of the council have cut her contract to transport students to a special school

Removing a girl who is now taken by her Grandfather in his private Car and they now pay him direct Is this legal

I think it's happening more and more.

If they pay more than 40p a mile then the volunteer scam becomes illegal.


ACTUALLY.....its illegal if theres any "element of profit", the RAC figure for running a car is used by the taxman, for a 2.0ltr car its about 65p per EVERY mile....

http://www.emmerson-hill.co.uk/download ... l_2012.pdf

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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Only if the vehicle is entirely used for this purpose would this be considered the true cost of motoring expenses.

Once you remove standing charges and depreciation, less depreciation attributed to the mileage, then 25p is nearer the mark.


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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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Cabhappy wrote:
Only if the vehicle is entirely used for this purpose would this be considered the true cost of motoring expenses.

Once you remove standing charges and depreciation, less depreciation attributed to the mileage, then 25p is nearer the mark.




I doubt that very much, fuel is 12p/mile on its own.

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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Simply do the maths from the rac doc you posted. Actually the AA do a better more accurate one.

To your fuel add tyres, servicing, maintenance. £1500 plus about £100 for the increase insurance premium to allow you to be paid, gets you another 13p.

Council also has to consider how pupil gets to school when grandad is ill or car breaks down, but if grandad can cover that then nothing to stop grandad tripling that 25 p and tendering for the contract anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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Cabhappy wrote:
Simply do the maths from the rac doc you posted. Actually the AA do a better more accurate one.

To your fuel add tyres, servicing, maintenance. £1500 plus about £100 for the increase insurance premium to allow you to be paid, gets you another 13p.

Council also has to consider how pupil gets to school when grandad is ill or car breaks down, but if grandad can cover that then nothing to stop grandad tripling that 25 p and tendering for the contract anyway.


why would he want to plate/badge/insure just take his own GK to school?

the council DOESNT have to consider what happens by the way

BTW, i dont work for that 75p a mile....dear me no

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
PostPosted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 10:54 am 
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My wife took our son to and from a special needs school in Edinburgh, she had to get an insurance policy that had hire and reward on it, before she could get paid by the council.
After she jumped the gun and found some, I had a look and it would have been cheaper to get PH insurance :sad:


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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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its not a payment, its a reimbursement for travel costs just like a student bus pass


what IS the problem here though?

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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As skippy points out you don't need a license to do a contract.

The council would have to consider that because they have taken responsibility for travel to school.

No you wouldn't do it for 75p but grandad would and he is well up.

Skippy there are other insurances but it depends on the contract terms what is needed.

And

Yes it is reimbursement that's why I would suggest anything over 25p is profit as the other costs would be incurred anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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the 25p staffs pay is ONE way (i.e. LOADED ONLY), which averages 12.5p, which wont cover fuel in some cars...

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 Post subject: Re: School Contract's
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Cabhappy wrote:
As skippy points out you don't need a license to do a contract



where?

his missus took their own son, he doesnt say it was a contract...

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