Taxi Driver Online

I haven't seen a single article describing the vehicle in question as a PHV - in actual fact the licensing register states HV 184 Silver Peugeot 407 Hackney carriage belongs to the lady in question

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

The following may put a bit of light onto the issue;

http://mrblackcab.proboards.com/index.c ... hread=2549

appeal against the use of section 68

68 Fitness of hackney carriages and private hire vehicles.

Any authorised officer of the council in question or any constable shall have power at all reasonable times to inspect and test, for the purpose of ascertaining its fitness, any hackney carriage or private hire vehicle licensed by a district council, or any taximeter affixed to such a vehicle, and if he is not satisfied as to the fitness of the hackney carriage or private hire vehicle or as to the accuracy of its taximeter he may by notice in writing require the proprietor of the hackney carriage or private hire vehicle to make it or its taximeter available for further inspection and testing at such reasonable time and place as may be specified in the notice and suspend the vehicle licence until such time as such authorised officer or constable is so satisfied:

Provided that, if the authorised officer or constable is not so satisfied before the expiration of a period of two months, the said licence shall, by virtue of this section, be deemed to have been revoked and subsections (2) and (3) of section 60 of this Act shall apply with any necessary modifications.

Bearing in mind the question about the taxi sign - and from the missing facts of the story mentioned - we can deduce the story goes along the lines of section 68 being used and abused to suspend the license until the sign was removed?

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Why are the National Private Hire Association getting involved if it is a Hackney? Why would the council be getting upset by the word "taxi" appearing on a Hackney?
I have just purchased an 8 passenger vehicle that has been plated as a Private Hire vehicle. Most of our vehicles are Hackney plated and the company name includes the word Taxis. most of our vehicles have graphics on them with the work Taxis. I have asked our enforcement officer if she is happy for use to use the same graphics on our new Private Hire vehicle and the reply was yes.

_________________
Grandad,

You can't have the word taxis on a private hire

How many towns and cities up and down the country have PH driving around with the word "taxi" as part of the business name ? I'm sure if we were to do a survey the percentage would be quite high.

As mentioned in earlier posts it appears that the vehicle in question is in fact licensed as a Hackney and as many will know membership of the NPHA is open to hackney and PH companies which is why they are involved.
This sounds like it is more of a battle of wills a sort of "Scargill vs Thatcher" style confrontation which would explain why big bills have been run up and even bigger ones trying to take the matter further it has become a matter of principle win at all costs from the sounds of it

_________________
lack of modern legislation is the iceberg sinking the titanic of the transport sector

Yes your correct? There's previous history between them?

if the firm has 200 PH and one hack its ok......lol

_________________
Of all the things ive lost, i miss my mind the most

as i understand ph firm can call it taxi company if it have hacks working for it

if she is hack i dont see why the council fuss and i wood say it worth appeal

Because the NPHA also represent taxis.

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Picked a bad judge;

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sh ... 0-Boy.html

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Sounds as if she bought an old taxi to use for PH work and never removed livery.
PH is not taxi and cannot advertise as one.

The vehicle is a licensed hackney carriage - it is on the register of hackney carriage licenses with the local authority and her name is on the license.

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

If it is that simple where is the problem? and why the fine?

My guess is that the local authority changed the signage rules on the vehicles - bringing in a uniform sign with a more corporate image and using the council logo - I'm guessing the signs were bought from a company called MOGO who also supply bits and pieces for other licensing functions such as drink licensing and who regularly sponsor licensing officer events such as the NALEO conference - and the lady didn't want her signs changed.

I don't think the lady has been fined - she appealed the decision of the council to the high court and has been left with a £52,500 bill for council costs - fairly cheap really because a recent taxi case in Newport cost £500K.

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

HACKNEY CARRIAGE AND PRIVATE HIRE PROPRIETORS’ FORUM

NOTES OF THE MEETING HELD ON
THURSDAY 29 NOVEMBER 2012 AT 1.00 P.M.


Signage on Hackney Carriage Vehicles


The Licensing Manager had clarified the rules and regulations relating to the display of signage on hackney carriage and private hire vehicles, and advised the group that they would be enforced more rigorously in the future. The group had also discussed issues relating to top signs on private hire vehicles as there had been a general impression amongst the trade that this was not permitted. It had been advised that this was not the case, but that if the trade wished for such a condition to be introduced a report could be presented to the Licensing Regulatory Committee.

present at meeting were numerous drivers and trade representatives including;

P. Hobart 281
E. Wilcock 184

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin