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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:13 pm 
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Which numpty council is this?


Wish folk would post the full details of who.
This is on a par with them brainless feckers at weatherpersons, went there last night and vaped away, was asked to go outside told them to do one, they said they would get the police so told them to go ahead as I was not breaking any laws, only there stupid rules, I told them that if they are ok to use in a hospital bed they are ok here,


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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 5:20 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Which numpty council is this?


Wish folk would post the full details of who.
This is on a par with them brainless feckers at weatherpersons, went there last night and vaped away, was asked to go outside told them to do one, they said they would get the police so told them to go ahead as I was not breaking any laws, only there stupid rules, I told them that if they are ok to use in a hospital bed they are ok here,


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PostPosted: Thu May 02, 2013 7:17 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 4:12 am 
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skippy41 wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Which numpty council is this?


Wish folk would post the full details of who.
This is on a par with them brainless feckers at weatherpersons, went there last night and vaped away, was asked to go outside told them to do one, they said they would get the police so told them to go ahead as I was not breaking any laws, only there stupid rules, I told them that if they are ok to use in a hospital bed they are ok here,



Skippy its here ,point 101.


http://moderngov.sthelens.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=117&MId=2208&Ver=4


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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:05 am 
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skippy41 wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Which numpty council is this?


Wish folk would post the full details of who.
This is on a par with them brainless feckers at weatherpersons, went there last night and vaped away, was asked to go outside told them to do one, they said they would get the police so told them to go ahead as I was not breaking any laws, only there stupid rules, I told them that if they are ok to use in a hospital bed they are ok here,



Well done Skip, they've banned them down here to. I see loads of people outside vaping, I'm thinking to myself go back inside you aren't breaking any laws.


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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:12 am 
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Nidge2 wrote:
skippy41 wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Which numpty council is this?


Wish folk would post the full details of who.
This is on a par with them brainless feckers at weatherpersons, went there last night and vaped away, was asked to go outside told them to do one, they said they would get the police so told them to go ahead as I was not breaking any laws, only there stupid rules, I told them that if they are ok to use in a hospital bed they are ok here,



Well done Skip, they've banned them down here to. I see loads of people outside vaping, I'm thinking to myself go back inside you aren't breaking any laws.


Have a vape protest get as many as you can to go in and refuse to leave


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andycable wrote:
skippy41 wrote:
gusmac wrote:
Which numpty council is this?


Wish folk would post the full details of who.
This is on a par with them brainless feckers at weatherpersons, went there last night and vaped away, was asked to go outside told them to do one, they said they would get the police so told them to go ahead as I was not breaking any laws, only there stupid rules, I told them that if they are ok to use in a hospital bed they are ok here,



Skippy its here ,point 101.


http://moderngov.sthelens.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=117&MId=2208&Ver=4


You did not put the link in your first post
but glad you rectified it at 3.09 am

101.
Electronic Cigarettes

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Members raised their concerns regarding the use of electronic cigarettes in licensed vehicles and the increasing difficultly this may raise regarding the enforcement of the no smoking policy in Licensed Vehicles.



Although smoking had been prohibited in taxi and private hire vehiclessince July 2007 Members believed that the Driver’s Guidance Notes and Code of Practice needed more clarity for drivers regarding the use of electronic cigarettes.



Members discussed amending the Code of Practice and Drivers Guidance Notes in relation to the smoking of electronic cigarettes in licensed vehicles.



* Resolved that:



(1) the Code of Practice for Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Drivers in relation to smoking in a Licensed Hackney Carriage or Private Hire Vehiclebe amended to encompass a wider ban on any form of smoking in licensed vehicles to include the use of electronic cigarettes or any other cigarette substitute which may be perceived to appear as a cigarette; and



(2) the Licensing and Land Charges Manager be authorised to forward a circular to all Hackney Carriage and Private Hire Operators advising of the policy change on behalf of this Committee.


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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:19 am 
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andycable, hope you and the rest of the drivers who use them will inform the council they cannot by law ban them.
I have just been to my doc, he said anything that helps you stop smoking is a benefit, I mentioned that some places where trying to ban them got a certificate of him stating that its a medical prescription and can be used anywhere, so into wetherspoons :D


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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:22 am 
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Request for the wiser amongst us, can this ban be challenged, how would it be challenged and when should it be challenged , before someone is caught or after ?


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Preston 'Taxi' driver claims E-Gigs dangerous.


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A taxi driver is warning people to take care when it comes to electronic cigarettes after he was left with a mouth infection.

Chris Bilsborough, 42, used an e-cigarette for four days and was left with a gum infection and spots on his arms and legs.

The taxi driver, from Bamber Bridge, near Preston, said: “I sent the electronic thing back to the shop and he said he would give me a full refund but people have got to know.

“It’s not good stuff. Some people might be fine for a while, its the long term effects.”

“My dentist said to me I’d be safer with cigarettes. Luckily it had not gone into my system.

“I knew something wasn’t right with them.”

Chris decided to use the e-cigarettes after quitting smoking after 25 years. He bought the cigarette and liquid from a store in the county.

Chris, who has been a taxi driver in South Ribble for five years, added: “They retail for about £3 and you refill it with liquid. It’s the liquid that is highly toxic.”

He added: “It is a big business, these shops are setting up everywhere.”

The liquid, in vanilla flavour, is covered with warnings to say it is toxic. People are urged not to swallow the product; and not to allow it to touch the skin; and that the vapours may cause drowsiness or dizziness.

Mike Leaf, Lancashire County Council’s director of health improvement, said: “We would strongly recommend that if you want to stop smoking, you should use a properly regulated and licensed nicotine replacement therapy, such as nicotine gum, patches or inhalers. These and other similar products are available on prescription, and you can get free help and advice from your local Stop Smoking Service.

“As for e-cigarettes, both the British Medical Association in this country and the Food and Drug Administration in America have raised concerns about their use. In the absence of any long-term studies of the use of these products, there is simply no way of knowing whether they are safe and effective.

“For example, we don’t know what levels of nicotine and other potentially harmful substances e-smokers may be inhaling, and there are no rigorous studies that show these products actually help people to quit smoking.

“What’s more, we don’t know whether they may lead young people to try conventional cigarettes, which are already proven to cause serious illness and premature death.”

Paul Noone, Lancashire County Council’s chief trading standards officer, says consumers do have some protection already.

He said: “While there are no specific regulations governing the sale of e-cigarettes, these products are covered by general consumer protection laws, including those relating to chemical and electrical safety.

“If people think the device itself isn’t operating safely, the packaging isn’t labelled correctly, or have any other issues with the product, they should contact the Citizens’ Advice consumer helpline on 08454 04 05 06.

“Anyone who has concerns about health effects from these products should consult their GP immediately.”

There are currently no specific regulations controlling the sale of e-cigarettes, but consumer protection legislation does still apply.

The majority of e-cigarettes use nicotine. Labelling and packaging requirements apply to e-cigs,including being sold in child resistant packaging, labelled with a ‘very toxic’ or ‘toxic’ danger symbol and being accompanied by safety warnings.

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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 10:48 am 
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Must have been near the cat or dog again

E-Juice (or Nicotine Liquid) contains only the following ingredients:

More than 80% – VG or Vegetable Glycerine B.P. (99.8% pure – kosher food grade)

Less than 5% - Nicotine (99.8% pure pharmaceutical grade)

Less than 10% – Purified Water

Less than 5% - Water-based food flavouring (from Perfumers Apprentice)


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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 2:20 pm 
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A taxi driver is warning people to take care when it comes to electronic cigarettes after he was left with a mouth infection.

Chris Bilsborough, 42, used an e-cigarette for four days and was left with a gum infection and spots on his arms and legs.

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They retail for about £3

Sounds like a quality item #-o

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“What’s more, we don’t know whether they may lead young people to try conventional cigarettes, which are already proven to cause serious illness and premature death.”


What a ridiculous statement. May as well ban tea or coffee in case they encourage young people to drink alcohol.
If past experience is anything to go by, young people are perfectly capable of trying conventional cigarettes without using an ecig first. #-o

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My dentist said to me I’d be safer with cigarettes.


Your dentist is a moron.

Perhaps he'd like to give you that advice in writing? That way your widow can sue his ass off when you die from lung cancer or the myriad other diseases caused by tobacco. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: e-cig ban
PostPosted: Sat May 04, 2013 7:59 pm 
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Request for the wiser amongst us, can this ban be challenged, how would it be challenged and when should it be challenged , before someone is caught or after ?

Everything can be challenged.

Have you contacted the anti smoking groups, cos they might want to make a noise about it.

Of course the Ombudsman is free. :wink:

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