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Sussex · **Posted:** Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:02 am

greenbadgecabby wrote:

So taking that into account, I was querying how people using touts / LPH stopping for street pick ups, would or could be viewed as a need for more Taxi's, when in fact the Taxi's are there, and in significant numbers.

I think, in most cases, in the provinces the reason people flag down PH is because they can't flag down a cab. The actual fares don't often come into it.

TDO · **Posted:** Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:41 pm

greenbadgecabby wrote:

By the way, I think you're equating touting with illegal plying for hire, but I don't think anyone mentioned touting.

There's a very fine line between the two.
I am aware the offence can be commited by Licensed Taxi's as well, but in the main the law is aimed at the common 'tout' and also the Licensed PH driver who takes it upon himself to stand next to his car and ask people if they want a cab.[/quote]

I would disagree with you point about the law being aimed mainly at PH and the commont tout.

The law was aimed at touting full stop, whoever does it.

But I would agree that most touting is done by other than black cab drivers.

To use your own words, there's a very fine line between the two :wink:

187ums · **Posted:** Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:23 pm

i dont know where you guys live but in my area, PH is cheaper they have minimum fares and as such generally cover the work further out in the city. Like i said before some people prefer them to us.

Black cabs cover the city and if we are at the edge of town and we recieve a job then fair enough.

In my city centre thier are two main ranks, some of the time its full house and you can wait upto one hour for a job, otherwise the place is full of buses that run everywhere imaginable, on top of that thankfully the policies of the council are to limit the number of vehicles coming in to the city and not contribute to the already high levels of pollution and congestion. So i guess my plate is good value it allows me a good decent of level and yes I drive " an old banger ", but I tell you what tourists love my car and nearly everyday I get a picture taken.

You see my point is that you can argue all day long about drivers and driver availability, whether a private hire picking up is evidence of unmet demand, you guys cant adopt a universal fit to the problem.

From what I know, in areas where dereg has occurred, its chaos, more cars than customers, now you tell me how that will benefit everyone??

Fae Fife · **Posted:** Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:39 pm

greenbadgecabby wrote:

TDO wrote:

greenbadgecabby wrote:

Lots of drivers waiting for work with no vehicle plates available, yep I can see the arguement there, but people breaking the law (now an Arrestable Offence under Sec 24 PACE) and touting, I can't see how that show's an unmet demand?

By the way, I think you're equating touting with illegal plying for hire, but I don't think anyone mentioned touting.

There's a very fine line between the two.
I am aware the offence can be commited by Licensed Taxi's as well, but in the main the law is aimed at the common 'tout' and also the Licensed PH driver who takes it upon himself to stand next to his car and ask people if they want a cab.

Can anyone answer this one?

At our local station its very quiet but when the trains come in a lot of the drivers of the minibuses and people carriers stand on the kerb side of the vehicle to stop people walking past them.

They dont actually obstruct them, but they seem to think that if they stand there then people will not walk past them

Could this be classed as touting?

TDO · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:37 am

187ums wrote:

You see my point is that you can argue all day long about drivers and driver availability, whether a private hire picking up is evidence of unmet demand, you guys cant adopt a universal fit to the problem.

Why?

Private hire, and most other businesses come to that, are universally deregulated, to use your parlance.

TDO · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:41 am

187ums wrote:

So i guess my plate is good value it allows me a good decent of level and yes I drive " an old banger ", but I tell you what tourists love my car and nearly everyday I get a picture taken.

TDO · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:46 am

187ums wrote:

From what I know, in areas where dereg has occurred, its chaos, more cars than customers, now you tell me how that will benefit everyone??

So how does customers paying for you plate benefit everyone?

Wouldn't it be better for the council to limit numbers via quality controls than by giving people like yourself preferential treatment and by allowing you to run an old banger (to use your own words) that has its picture taken nearly every day? :roll:

GBC · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:44 am

Fae Fife wrote:

At our local station its very quiet but when the trains come in a lot of the drivers of the minibuses and people carriers stand on the kerb side of the vehicle to stop people walking past them.

They dont actually obstruct them, but they seem to think that if they stand there then people will not walk past them

Could this be classed as touting?

Hmm, don't know.

As I remember there is something within the act which allows operators of PSV's , buses, to tout for buisness, but then again Scottish, mainly common law, may differ drastically from our act down here.

JD is apparantly the man for these questions.

Sussex · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:32 pm

greenbadgecabby wrote:

Sussex wrote:

If the PH were picking up on the street, then that is evidence of unmet demand.

I'll have to disagree on that one Susssex. 8-[

As if by magic, Stirling Council give us a prime example. :wink:

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2044

187ums · **Posted:** Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:53 pm

i dont know if i would agree with that comment - my understanding of the article is that restrictions are still in place - the council has not gone mad and opened up the flood gates! its only 25 more licenses, they will probably goto a waiting list and people will still complain they did not get a license.

GBC · **Posted:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:20 am

Sussex wrote:

greenbadgecabby wrote:

Sussex wrote:

If the PH were picking up on the street, then that is evidence of unmet demand.

I'll have to disagree on that one Susssex. 8-[

As if by magic, Stirling Council give us a prime example. :wink:

http://taxi-driver.co.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2044

Eh? What? Where? Its an article on 25 new Licenses for Stirling.

Whats that got to do with PH / touting / Unlawfuly plying?

Have you been out boozing? :?:

Sussex · **Posted:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:43 am

187ums wrote:

i dont know if i would agree with that comment - my understanding of the article is that restrictions are still in place - the council has not gone mad and opened up the flood gates! its only 25 more licenses, they will probably goto a waiting list and people will still complain they did not get a license.

The point is that the council have decided that if PH are meeting taxi demand then they might as well be licensed as taxis.

The fact that the council have issued 25 taxi plates without a survey, doesn't bode too well for plate premiums in Stirling once the council get around to doing their SUD survey. :wink:

Sussex · **Posted:** Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:45 am

greenbadgecabby wrote:

Have you been out boozing? :?:

Alas no, don't touch the stuff. :shock:

Again the point is that Stirling have decided that PH are meeting taxi demand. And refreshingly they are going to do something about it. :wink:

187ums · **Posted:** Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:52 pm

Well guys in my regulated area we are going to have survey which we the owners of the cabs are to pay for. I understand that it will focus on how quickly we clean up the ranks - obviously you guys will deem this as not accurate.

The council already has decided that it will not deregulate, so my investment is safe for at least another few years, word is they will issue another 10 - 12 plates, I believe that this will impact the trade as we are under constant pressure by the buses and private hire.

ANy way on a different note, I was in LOndon today and I saw cars that were even older than mine, and they all seemed busy, any idea how long it would take an outsider to become a taxi driver in the big smoke?

Sussex · **Posted:** Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:26 am

187ums wrote:

Well guys in my regulated area we are going to have survey which we the owners of the cabs are to pay for. I understand that it will focus on how quickly we clean up the ranks - obviously you guys will deem this as not accurate.

Well as I disagree with quotas, then it could be said that I disagree with surveys that condone them.

However rank observations is a major part of a SUD survey, along side proper customer surveys. :wink:

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