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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 6:23 am 
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Wot about the failure to consult and no experts opinions on the matter ?



What expert opinion do you want? Opinion on the Ecig which is 90% vegetable glycerine which can be purchased in ASDA and 10% nicotine which can also be purchased in shops.

There's no expert opinion needed at all, your Council are being cunts, expert opinion is needed to look at who they employ and what job title they get and where they get these bird brained ideas from.

I'd like to see a case go to Court, the Magistrate will tear the Council a new backside.

Not so sure about that if its been included officially in conditions? Though fully agree with you Nidge that this bunch of [edited by admin] need intro's to Leroy!


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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:07 am 
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Personally think they try it on with us...because they know they can and get away with it. If the learned tinkers tailors and candlestick makers have all voted a ban on e ciggs into conditions, and a driver is breached for flouting these conditions...might be an idea to take up with ASH, the manufacturer's or other pressure groups who might jump at the free publicity on the back of it all?



Response from Paul Hooper from ASH

"Hi Andy

I am not aware of the details of this rule change however it would appear to relate to the confusion/misrepresentation that can occur when a person is seen apparently smoking a cigarette and they subsequently claim to have been using an e-cig.

This rule removes any doubt.

If a driver wants to maintain a level of nicotine in their body there are alternatives such as gum, patches, lozenges and spray that could be used within the vehicle without falling foul of the licensing department.

Hope that helps"


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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 11:36 am 
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not sure if relevant to this case, but I bet it's used as a precedent by some.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/ma ... lic-places

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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 2:49 pm 
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There's no smoke, no smell and most of all no chemicals so therefore there's no problem IMO.


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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2013 8:55 pm 
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I don’t have a definitive list but I think it’s fair to say that so far the vast majority of councils have not taken steps to ban e-cigs on their premises. However, the issue is certainly under review, see for example the link below - but these devices are not tobacco products so they cannot be banned under the smokefree law (Health Act 2006).

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Banni ... z2Un7FiKUu

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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 8:09 am 
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I don’t have a definitive list but I think it’s fair to say that so far the vast majority of councils have not taken steps to ban e-cigs on their premises. However, the issue is certainly under review, see for example the link below - but these devices are not tobacco products so they cannot be banned under the smokefree law (Health Act 2006).

http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/Banni ... z2Un7FiKUu

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I went to that shop when I was In Nottingham a few weeks ago and it was packed with people buying kits and juice.


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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2013 5:56 pm 
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... bacco.html

Just goes to show how thick they are


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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333843/France-ban-electronic-cigarettes-public-places-subject-tight-rules-tobacco.html

Just goes to show how thick they are


Vested interests flexing their muscles Skippy. It'll happen here as well. :sad:

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Fear not chaps.

I'm certain these fag things will be get proper approval some time in the future.

If for no other reason than they actually bloody well work.

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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2333843/France-ban-electronic-cigarettes-public-places-subject-tight-rules-tobacco.html

Just goes to show how thick they are


Not really an Issue in France as they never pay a blind bit of notice to the rules.


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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 10:05 am 
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E-Lites (Tom Brady , Director of communications ) have emailed back saying they don't want to get involved legally but will consider what else they can do to help.


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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:47 pm 
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E-Lites (Tom Brady , Director of communications ) have emailed back saying they don't want to get involved legally but will consider what else they can do to help.


Strange, should have thought the manufacturer be keen to show non danger to public health and perhaps a free publicity ride in the bargain? Playing Devils advocate my understanding is that manufacturers have shied from registration as NRT to avoid BMA investigation...makes you wonder if their claims that its all harmless are fully founded ???


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E-Lites (Tom Brady , Director of communications ) have emailed back saying they don't want to get involved legally but will consider what else they can do to help.


Strange, should have thought the manufacturer be keen to show non danger to public health and perhaps a free publicity ride in the bargain? Playing Devils advocate my understanding is that manufacturers have shied from registration as NRT to avoid BMA investigation...makes you wonder if their claims that its all harmless are fully founded ???


It's about the money :shock:
None of the e-cig products would pass the strict tests required of medicines, e.g. exact and consistent doses, nothing that tastes nice etc.
The drive is on to ban these, because the big Pharma companies make billions from current NRT (gum, patches etc) and the e-cig blows all of those away.
Tobacco companies are watching their profits dwindle as more people switch and, of course, governments get a huge cut of the sales as tax.

None of the e-cig companies are rich enough to take these guys on. Not yet, anyway.

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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:27 pm 
Just Had these responses from LO; So they are now our employers eh? If anyone can identify the 2010 crown court appeal be good to hear from you.

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For your information in 2010 we had a Crown Court appeal over a driver smoking e cigs in a works vehicle the on the grounds that they were exempt from the legislation. The Judge dismissed the appeal and held that the original conviction at Magistrates was correct in law. The fine and costs for the offence were £1100. Hope this helps.


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Should employers allow employees to use e-cigarettes in the workplace?
Electronic cigarettes ("e-cigarettes") are battery-powered products that release a visible vapour that contains liquid nicotine that is inhaled by the user. E-cigarettes fall outside the scope of the smoke-free legislation. Section 1 of the Health Act 2006 defines "smoking" as "smoking tobacco or anything which contains tobacco, or smoking any other substance", and states that "smoking includes being in possession of lit tobacco or of anything lit which contains tobacco, or being in possession of any other lit substance in a form in which it could be smoked". Therefore, employers can choose to allow employees to use e-cigarettes in the workplace.
While some employers may allow employees to use e-cigarettes in the workplace, many will prefer to ban them, typically in their smoking policy, and inform employees that their use will result in disciplinary action. The British Medical Association (BMA) has published a briefing on e-cigarettes (PDF format, 112K) (on the BMA website). It states that the BMA believes that existing smoke-free legislation should be extended to e-cigarettes. While admitting that electronic cigarettes may help some smokers to give up, the BMA points to the lack of evidence on the health risks that they pose to the individual using them and those in close proximity.
Employers may also choose to ban e-cigarettes because some models can, particularly from a distance, look like real cigarettes, making a smoking ban difficult to police, and creating an impression for visitors, customers or other employees that it is acceptable to smoke.


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 Post subject: Re: E-Cig Update
PostPosted: Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:31 pm 
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Employers may also choose to ban e-cigarettes because some models can, particularly from a distance, look like real cigarettes, making a smoking ban difficult to police, and creating an impression for visitors, customers or other employees that it is acceptable to smoke.


May as well ban cans of coke, in case they look like beer. :shock:

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