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However, you seem to be suggesting that the West is so free we must make things harsher so we can be free.


I think Winston Churchill makes that point better than I ever could. However, you seem to be apologising for the death of Lee Rigby because British Government policy in some way, can be used to justify his killing, and then you are making preemptive apologies for radical Islam believing it necessary to kill soldiers on British soil in the future.

And you still won't confront directly my basic premise about fanatical Islam: the simple truth is CC, and I have said this many times before, you cannot debate with someone of religious faith because they do not require a shred of evidence for what they believe, and that's what makes the fanatics of these faiths so dangerous. Everything they do is revealed to them by God, through some Cleric or their reading and interpretation of some Bronze Age book.



Why would I apologise for the death of Lee Rigby - I didn't murder him. you are then saying I am more or less supporting the terrorists - could you show me the post where I wrote any support please?

What I am saying is that the death of 40 people in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan will not get the media coverage that a single horrible, brutal murder will on the streets of London.

What I am saying is that you appear to accept the brutal murder by the IRA of soldiers is more acceptable than the death of soldiers at the hands of a Muslim. - I don't accept either - both are equally horrific.

What I am saying is that British foreign policy has fuelled the hate.

You don't appear to offer any solution other than something that would have been dreamed up by Nazis - I am saying stop interfering in the affairs of the Middle East - don't send arms - don't support dictators.

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This has little to do with religion and everyone knows that - It has everything to do with foreign policy and Muslims waking up to the fact they've been sh*fted for centuries are are broadly led by pawns of western governments.


You just keep harping on about British foreign policy pi*sing people off. Don't you get it, there is no political solution to radical Islam? These people are fanatics, and they were nearly everywhere else and committing their atrocities against other faiths or governments, before they arrived here?

I think you've been sucked into their dumbing down process CC. This is not the time for apologising or giving preferential treatment to their faith-based beliefs because of something that happened during the past.


Sorry if I keep harping on about foreign policy but I actually think its part of the cause;

List of children killed by U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen:

Compiled from The Bureau of Investigative Journalism reports

PAKISTAN

Name | Age | Gender

Noor Aziz | 8 | male
Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
Noor Syed | 8 | male
Wajid Noor | 9 | male
Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
Ayeesha | 3 | female
Qari Alamzeb | 14| male
Shoaib | 8 | male
Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male
Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
Maezol Khan | 8 | female
Nasir Khan | male
Naeem Khan | male
Naeemullah | male
Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
Ziauddin | 16 | male
Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
Fazal Hakim | 19 | male
Ilyas | 13 | male
Sohail | 7 | male
Asadullah | 9 | male
khalilullah | 9 | male
Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
Khalid | 12 | male
Saifullah | 9 | male
Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
Nawab | 17 | male
Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male
Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
Abdullah | 18 | male
Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
Shahbuddin | 15 | male
Yahya Khan | 16 |male
Rahatullah |17 | male
Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
Shahjehan | 15 | male
Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
Numair | 14 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Taseel Khan | 18 | male
Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
Alam Nabi | 11 | male
Qari Abdul Karim | 19 | male
Rahmatullah | 14 | male
Abdus Samad | 17 | male
Siraj | 16 | male
Saeedullah | 17 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Salman | 12 | male
Fazal Wahab | 18 | male
Baacha Rahman | 13 | male
Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male
Iftikhar | 17 | male
Inayatullah | 15 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Adnan | 16 | male
Najibullah | 13 | male
Naeemullah | 17 | male
Hizbullah | 10 | male
Kitab Gul | 12 | male
Wilayat Khan | 11 | male
Zabihullah | 16 | male
Shehzad Gul | 11 | male
Shabir | 15 | male
Qari Sharifullah | 17 | male
Shafiullah | 16 | male
Nimatullah | 14 | male
Shakirullah | 16 | male
Talha | 8 | male

YEMEN

Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female
Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female
Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female
Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female
Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male
Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male
Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female
Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female
Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female
Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female
Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male
Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female
Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female
Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female
Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female
Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male
Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female
Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female
Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male
Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male
Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female
AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male
Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male
Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 | male
Nasser Salim | 19


http://earthfirstnews.wordpress.com/201 ... errorisms/

The death of Lee Rigby was horrible and a tragedy - the persons that done it should be put to death.

The names of the above children will not be remembered by anyone apart from their families.


Aint surprising is it fellow Muslims to the listed above decide its time for some revenge :?:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:31 pm 
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However, you seem to be suggesting that the West is so free we must make things harsher so we can be free.


I think Winston Churchill makes that point better than I ever could. However, you seem to be apologising for the death of Lee Rigby because British Government policy in some way, can be used to justify his killing, and then you are making preemptive apologies for radical Islam believing it necessary to kill soldiers on British soil in the future.

And you still won't confront directly my basic premise about fanatical Islam: the simple truth is CC, and I have said this many times before, you cannot debate with someone of religious faith because they do not require a shred of evidence for what they believe, and that's what makes the fanatics of these faiths so dangerous. Everything they do is revealed to them by God, through some Cleric or their reading and interpretation of some Bronze Age book.



Why would I apologise for the death of Lee Rigby - I didn't murder him. you are then saying I am more or less supporting the terrorists - could you show me the post where I wrote any support please?

What I am saying is that the death of 40 people in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan will not get the media coverage that a single horrible, brutal murder will on the streets of London.

What I am saying is that you appear to accept the brutal murder by the IRA of soldiers is more acceptable than the death of soldiers at the hands of a Muslim. - I don't accept either - both are equally horrific.

What I am saying is that British foreign policy has fuelled the hate.

You don't appear to offer any solution other than something that would have been dreamed up by Nazis - I am saying stop interfering in the affairs of the Middle East - don't send arms - don't support dictators.

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This has little to do with religion and everyone knows that - It has everything to do with foreign policy and Muslims waking up to the fact they've been sh*fted for centuries are are broadly led by pawns of western governments.


You just keep harping on about British foreign policy pi*sing people off. Don't you get it, there is no political solution to radical Islam? These people are fanatics, and they were nearly everywhere else and committing their atrocities against other faiths or governments, before they arrived here?

I think you've been sucked into their dumbing down process CC. This is not the time for apologising or giving preferential treatment to their faith-based beliefs because of something that happened during the past.


Sorry if I keep harping on about foreign policy but I actually think its part of the cause;

List of children killed by U.S. drone strikes in Pakistan and Yemen:

Compiled from The Bureau of Investigative Journalism reports

PAKISTAN

Name | Age | Gender

Noor Aziz | 8 | male
Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
Noor Syed | 8 | male
Wajid Noor | 9 | male
Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
Ayeesha | 3 | female
Qari Alamzeb | 14| male
Shoaib | 8 | male
Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male
Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
Maezol Khan | 8 | female
Nasir Khan | male
Naeem Khan | male
Naeemullah | male
Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
Ziauddin | 16 | male
Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
Fazal Hakim | 19 | male
Ilyas | 13 | male
Sohail | 7 | male
Asadullah | 9 | male
khalilullah | 9 | male
Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
Khalid | 12 | male
Saifullah | 9 | male
Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
Nawab | 17 | male
Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male
Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
Abdullah | 18 | male
Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
Shahbuddin | 15 | male
Yahya Khan | 16 |male
Rahatullah |17 | male
Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
Shahjehan | 15 | male
Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
Numair | 14 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Taseel Khan | 18 | male
Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
Alam Nabi | 11 | male
Qari Abdul Karim | 19 | male
Rahmatullah | 14 | male
Abdus Samad | 17 | male
Siraj | 16 | male
Saeedullah | 17 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Salman | 12 | male
Fazal Wahab | 18 | male
Baacha Rahman | 13 | male
Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male
Iftikhar | 17 | male
Inayatullah | 15 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Adnan | 16 | male
Najibullah | 13 | male
Naeemullah | 17 | male
Hizbullah | 10 | male
Kitab Gul | 12 | male
Wilayat Khan | 11 | male
Zabihullah | 16 | male
Shehzad Gul | 11 | male
Shabir | 15 | male
Qari Sharifullah | 17 | male
Shafiullah | 16 | male
Nimatullah | 14 | male
Shakirullah | 16 | male
Talha | 8 | male

YEMEN

Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female
Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female
Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female
Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female
Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male
Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male
Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female
Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female
Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female
Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female
Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male
Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female
Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female
Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female
Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female
Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male
Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female
Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female
Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male
Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male
Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female
AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male
Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male
Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 | male
Nasser Salim | 19


http://earthfirstnews.wordpress.com/201 ... errorisms/

The death of Lee Rigby was horrible and a tragedy - the persons that done it should be put to death.

The names of the above children will not be remembered by anyone apart from their families.


Aint surprising is it fellow Muslims to the listed above decide its time for some revenge :?: for the crimes committed by the HEROES :evil: :evil: :evil:

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 04, 2013 1:40 pm 
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Really? Perhaps people don't say I'm doing this in the name of Atheism but they are certainly Atheist imo. Some would say it's for political advantage just to escape the label of Atheist but I'll start the ball rolling with these people:-

Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Mao Zedong
Pol Pot
Kim Jong


I suppose when your dead it doesn't really matter if the person who killed you did so in the name of religion or in the name of some false idol;

But those atheists - they do appear to have some nutters amongst their godless crew;

MAO ZEDONG China (1949-76) Regime Communist Victims 60 million
JOSEPH STALIN Soviet Union (1929-53) Regime Communist Victims 40 million
ADOLF HITLER Germany (1933-45) Regime **** dictatorship Victims 30 million
POL POT Cambodia (1975-79) Regime Communist (Khmer Rouge) Victims At least 1.7 million (political opponents)
KIM IL SUNG North Korea (1948-94)Regime Communist Victims At least 1.6 million (political opponents/civilians through famine)
MENGISTU HAILE MARIAM Ethiopia (1974-78) Regime Communist military dictatorship Victims 1.5 million (Eritreans/political opponents)
JOSIP BROZ TITO Yugoslavia (1945-80)Regime Communist Victims 570,000 (political opponents)
IDI AMIN Uganda (1971-79) Regime Personal dictatorship Victims 300,000-500,000 (political/personal opponents)
BENITO MUSSOLINI Italy (1922-45) Regime Fascist dictatorship Victims 250,000 (Ethiopians, Libyans, Jews, political opponents)
HO CHI MINH North Vietnam (1945-69) Regime Communist Victims 200,000 (political opponents, South Vietnamese)
FIDEL CASTRO Cuba (1959-2006) Regime Communist Victims 30,000 (political opponents)


can see where yer going Capt BUT non of the Above listed as Communist were!! they were all STALINIST and the cu8t did in at least 100 million Hitler 54 million

Tito brought peace and prosperity to jugoslavia and most he polished off were **** supporting MUSLIMS no loss there then ??? many of whom begged barbed wire off of the NAZIS to set up their own extermination centers where some Jewish victims had the heads sawn off with wood saws, no GAS there just sickening slaughters rapes disembowelling unbelievable, and well done Tito for sorting them out =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>

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a fine post capt but our media doesnt tell us about that as it no fit the profile of gain support to meddle in the east does it


I think it was a crap post and nothing near the quality I was hoping for. You need to go to speck savers. #-o

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Why would I apologise for the death of Lee Rigby - I didn't murder him. you are then saying I am more or less supporting the terrorists - could you show me the post where I wrote any support please?


The whole tone of your posts is one of making concessions for extremism in that their actions can be justified in some way because of British foreign policy. It's just one big apology.

Now I don’t know if you are being deliberately obtuse but harping on about foreign policy does nothing to confront the real issue, of Islam being an intrinsically evil religion which is the basic premise to my posts. And you just skipped right over Winston Churchill’s quote which summed up everything I believe quite nicely.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

– Sir Winston Churchill
British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom

And once again: the simple truth is CC, and I have said this many times before, you cannot debate with someone of religious faith because they do not require a shred of evidence for what they believe, and that's what makes the fanatics of these faiths so dangerous. Everything they do is revealed to them by God, through some Cleric or their reading and interpretation of some Bronze Age book.


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What I am saying is that the death of 40 people in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan will not get the media coverage that a single horrible, brutal murder will on the streets of London.


I would agree with you wholeheartedly but fortunately, we don’t live in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan. And I think it is true to say that life is a lot cheaper in these countries and it probably has more to do with poor health care, sanitation, working conditions and diet rather than the barrel of a gun. Oh and It was bad before we got there so we can't accept all the blame.

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What I am saying is that you appear to accept the brutal murder by the IRA of soldiers is more acceptable than the death of soldiers at the hands of a Muslim. - I don't accept either - both are equally horrific.


I am saying nothing of the sort and the only reason you seem to coming up with this nonsense is to avoid the basic premise of my post which is, once again, that Islam is an intrinsically evil religion.

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What I am saying is that British foreign policy has fuelled the hate.


I know exactly what you are saying and I agree with that part of your argument and I have already said, repeatedly, we should pull our troops out and put Tony Blair on trial for War Crimes.

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You don't appear to offer any solution other than something that would have been dreamed up by Nazis - I am saying stop interfering in the affairs of the Middle East - don't send arms - don't support dictators.


Showing allegiance to your country by swearing an oath to the flag before that of your faith or facing deportation as a consequence for anyone holding extremist's views, is not a **** solution to this problem by any stretch of the imagination. It is simply a means by which we can weed the extremists out.

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a fine post capt but our media doesnt tell us about that as it no fit the profile of gain support to meddle in the east does it


I think it was a crap post and nothing near the quality I was hoping for. You need to go to speck savers. #-o



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it tit fer tat

if i come beat on you family do you want to shake hand or beat on me back assume you like family that is


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It seems to me that Skull is only interested in what the Muslims do and what other people think of what they do. One could read that as being fine to do as you please so long as you're not a Muslim or so long as you are Atheist.

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As i said before its the way this soldier got murdered and preached about it for the cameras after that shocked the country,fecks sake the word 'beheading' sends chills through most people,me included.These were people born here who got brainwashed into some sort of extremist ideology.Should we think this of all people of muslim faith ? But as has been mentioned before theres atrocities going on in plenty of there countrys that we and are in.You only need look at Israel with the palestinians and America and Uk support and i think what the feck is going on,they do and take what they want with no consequences.I dont think the majority of attacks againt the Uk or the America are because of a religous belief or because they hate westerners,i think its more our interference and oppresion in their countrys


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can see where yer going Capt BUT non of the Above listed as Communist were!! they were all STALINIST and the cu8t did in at least 100 million Hitler 54 million

Tito brought peace and prosperity to jugoslavia and most he polished off were **** supporting MUSLIMS no loss there then ??? many of whom begged barbed wire off of the NAZIS to set up their own extermination centers where some Jewish victims had the heads sawn off with wood saws, no GAS there just sickening slaughters rapes disembowelling unbelievable, and well done Tito for sorting them out =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


The point was that the people mentioned were devout atheists.

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It seems to me that Skull is only interested in what the Muslims do and what other people think of what they do. One could read that as being fine to do as you please so long as you're not a Muslim or so long as you are Atheist.


Toots, are you actually reading my posts? I'm approaching Islam from exactly the same position I would any religion, which preaches fanaticism from its very roots.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.


– Sir Winston Churchill
British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom

And once again: the simple truth, and I have said this many times before, you cannot debate with someone of religious faith because they do not require a shred of evidence for what they believe, and that's what makes the fanatics of these faiths so dangerous. Everything they do is revealed to them by God, through some Cleric or their reading and interpretation of some Bronze Age book.


You do realise we are talking about religious extremism and while foreign policy has made matters considerably worse, the problem within Islam has existed for decades if not centuries.

A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself.

– Marcus Tullius Cicero
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I think the quotes above describe almost exactly the situation here in the UK.

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can see where yer going Capt BUT non of the Above listed as Communist were!! they were all STALINIST and the cu8t did in at least 100 million Hitler 54 million

Tito brought peace and prosperity to jugoslavia and most he polished off were **** supporting MUSLIMS no loss there then ??? many of whom begged barbed wire off of the NAZIS to set up their own extermination centers where some Jewish victims had the heads sawn off with wood saws, no GAS there just sickening slaughters rapes disembowelling unbelievable, and well done Tito for sorting them out =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D>


The point was that the people mentioned were devout atheists.


They weren't killing people in the name of Atheism. That's complete bollocks. :-|

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Why would I apologise for the death of Lee Rigby - I didn't murder him. you are then saying I am more or less supporting the terrorists - could you show me the post where I wrote any support please?


The whole tone of your posts is one of making concessions for extremism in that their actions can be justified in some way because of British foreign policy. It's just one big apology.

Now I don’t know if you are being deliberately obtuse but harping on about foreign policy does nothing to confront the real issue, of Islam being an intrinsically evil religion which is the basic premise to my posts. And you just skipped right over Winston Churchill’s quote which summed up everything I believe quite nicely.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

– Sir Winston Churchill
British Conservative politician and statesman of the United Kingdom

And once again: the simple truth is CC, and I have said this many times before, you cannot debate with someone of religious faith because they do not require a shred of evidence for what they believe, and that's what makes the fanatics of these faiths so dangerous. Everything they do is revealed to them by God, through some Cleric or their reading and interpretation of some Bronze Age book.


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What I am saying is that the death of 40 people in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan will not get the media coverage that a single horrible, brutal murder will on the streets of London.


I would agree with you wholeheartedly but fortunately, we don’t live in Afghanistan, Iraq or Pakistan. And I think it is true to say that life is a lot cheaper in these countries and it probably has more to do with poor health care, sanitation, working conditions and diet rather than the barrel of a gun. Oh and It was bad before we got there so we can't accept all the blame.

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What I am saying is that you appear to accept the brutal murder by the IRA of soldiers is more acceptable than the death of soldiers at the hands of a Muslim. - I don't accept either - both are equally horrific.


I am saying nothing of the sort and the only reason you seem to coming up with this nonsense is to avoid the basic premise of my post which is, once again, that Islam is an intrinsically evil religion.

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What I am saying is that British foreign policy has fuelled the hate.


I know exactly what you are saying and I agree with that part of your argument and I have already said, repeatedly, we should pull our troops out and put Tony Blair on trial for War Crimes.

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You don't appear to offer any solution other than something that would have been dreamed up by Nazis - I am saying stop interfering in the affairs of the Middle East - don't send arms - don't support dictators.


Showing allegiance to your country by swearing an oath to the flag before that of your faith or facing deportation as a consequence for anyone holding extremist's views, is not a **** solution to this problem by any stretch of the imagination. It is simply a means by which we can weed the extremists out.


I would skip over the Winston Churchill quote - because he was responsible for the murder of thousands of Irish folk, was responsible for the Dardanelles Campaign during WW1 and many other crimes.

Where are you going to deport a British born subject to?

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They weren't killing people in the name of Atheism. That's complete bollocks. :-|


So what difference does it make if your killed in the name of a religion or in the name of a nutter?

you're still dead ffs

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Skull wrote:

They weren't killing people in the name of Atheism. That's complete bollocks. :-|


So what difference does it make if your killed in the name of a religion or in the name of a nutter?

you're still dead ffs



Are you seriously trying to compare political theory to that of religious faith-based beliefs?

And you still won't confront directly my basic premise about fanatical Islam: the simple truth is CC, and I have said this many times before, you cannot debate with someone of religious faith because they do not require a shred of evidence for what they believe, and that's what makes the fanatics of these faiths so dangerous. Everything they do is revealed to them by God, through some Cleric or their reading and interpretation of some Bronze Age book.

How about, one has a political solution whereas the other only has a final solution, which is become a convert to Islam, or you're dead. And that, btw, is exactly how these extremists see it. :-| Oh and I should point out the word of their God doesn't evolve through the ages, that is it. :-|

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captain cab wrote:
Skull wrote:

They weren't killing people in the name of Atheism. That's complete bollocks. :-|


So what difference does it make if your killed in the name of a religion or in the name of a nutter?

you're still dead ffs



Are you seriously trying to compare political theory to that of religious faith-based beliefs?

And you still won't confront directly my basic premise about fanatical Islam: the simple truth is CC, and I have said this many times before, you cannot debate with someone of religious faith because they do not require a shred of evidence for what they believe, and that's what makes the fanatics of these faiths so dangerous. Everything they do is revealed to them by God, through some Cleric or their reading and interpretation of some Bronze Age book.

How about, one has a political solution whereas the other only has a final solution, which is become a convert to Islam, or you're dead. And that, btw, is exactly how these extremists see it. :-| Oh and I should point out the word of their God doesn't evolve through the ages, that is it. :-|


Interesting choice of words. Final solution being more commonly associated with The Third Reich.
They didn't need proof for what they believed either BTW, although that didn't stop them manufacturing it anyway.

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