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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:16 pm 
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Going round in circles lads,i dont remember wanting to get rid of the Irish when there was a bombing campaign.Also the internment really worked under Thatcher didnt it.We have to rid ourselves of certain elements/radicals but need to be carefull of kneejerk reactions.Its a price were paying for our goverments buisness in foreign countrys.


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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:19 pm 
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FFS Skull, we already have Anti-terror legislation being abused to see who's putting what in their rubbish and to snoop on over ranking taxi drivers. And you want to hand these pr1cks the keys to the kingdom. :shock: Have you lost the fekking plot?


So why would you object, to Anti-terror legislation, being used for its proper purpose along with the lawful deportation of suspects for holding extremist views?

Oh and we are dangerously close to an agreement here? :shock:

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:21 pm 
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No, I never said anything about doing the above without the rule of law. You only presumed so. :-|


In that case you are a naive fool. Just how did you think you could achieve half of what you propose, without changing the law?

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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gusmac wrote:
FFS Skull, we already have Anti-terror legislation being abused to see who's putting what in their rubbish and to snoop on over ranking taxi drivers. And you want to hand these pr1cks the keys to the kingdom. :shock: Have you lost the fekking plot?


So why would you object, to Anti-terror legislation, being used for its proper purpose along with the lawful deportation of suspects for holding extremist's views?

Oh and we are dangerously close to an agreement here? :shock:


I have no problem with law being used for it's proper purpose.
Do you trust the establishment to use it only for it's proper purpose?

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:30 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
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No, I never said anything about doing the above without the rule of law. You only presumed so. :-|


In that case you are a naive fool. Just how did you think you could achieve half of what you propose, without changing the law?


I said the government should deport extremists by opting out of the HR charter, as it's a case of national security. There is nothing is naive about that. :-|

The yanks call it, Extraordinary Rendition. :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:31 pm 
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Going round in circles lads,i dont remember wanting to get rid of the Irish when there was a bombing campaign.Also the internment really worked under Thatcher didnt it.We have to rid ourselves of certain elements/radicals but need to be carefull of kneejerk reactions.Its a price were paying for our goverments buisness in foreign countrys.

Not actually trying to get rid of them, but about 25-30 years ago if you was Irish in this City you got interviewed by the police.

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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gusmac wrote:
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gusmac wrote:
FFS Skull, we already have Anti-terror legislation being abused to see who's putting what in their rubbish and to snoop on over ranking taxi drivers. And you want to hand these pr1cks the keys to the kingdom. :shock: Have you lost the fekking plot?


So why would you object, to Anti-terror legislation, being used for its proper purpose along with the lawful deportation of suspects for holding extremist's views?

Oh and we are dangerously close to an agreement here? :shock:


I have no problem with law being used for it's proper purpose.
Do you trust the establishment to use it only for it's proper purpose?


Not particularly, but what we are talking about now are the checks and balances of how it is implemented. :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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The yanks call it, Extraordinary Rendition. :-|

But that's bringing folks in, you are about binning them off.

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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Sussex wrote:
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The yanks call it, Extraordinary Rendition. :-|

But that's bringing folks in, you are about binning them off.


It works both ways. You can bring them in or bin them off. :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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The yanks call it, Extraordinary Rendition. :-|


That's kidnapping people, flying them around the world incomunicado and banging them up in secret jails. Not to mention torture.

Did I mention the torture?

The one place they won't fly them is the good ole US of A. They'd have rights there.

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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Not particularly, but what we are talking about now are the checks and balances of how it is implemented. :-|


The ECHR is the only real check and balance there would be.
The rest are all made up of members of the same gentlemen's club.

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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gusmac wrote:
Sussex wrote:

The yanks call it, Extraordinary Rendition. :-|


That's kidnapping people, flying them around the world incomunicado and banging them up in secret jails. Not to mention torture.

Did I mention the torture?

The one place they won't fly them is the good ole US of A. They'd have rights there.


Not any more. And it's legal. Well, according to American Law. :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:48 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
Skull wrote:

Not particularly, but what we are talking about now are the checks and balances of how it is implemented. :-|


The ECHR is the only real check and balance there would be.
The rest are all made up of members of the same gentlemen's club.


You are only opting out of the HR, on a case of National Security. I could be wrong, but I think France, already does it. :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:00 pm 
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Going round in circles lads,i dont remember wanting to get rid of the Irish when there was a bombing campaign.Also the internment really worked under Thatcher didnt it.We have to rid ourselves of certain elements/radicals but need to be carefull of kneejerk reactions.Its a price were paying for our goverments buisness in foreign countrys.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/feb/13/uk.race1

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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Sussex wrote:
blackpool wrote:
Going round in circles lads,i dont remember wanting to get rid of the Irish when there was a bombing campaign.Also the internment really worked under Thatcher didnt it.We have to rid ourselves of certain elements/radicals but need to be carefull of kneejerk reactions.Its a price were paying for our goverments buisness in foreign countrys.

Not actually trying to get rid of them, but about 25-30 years ago if you was Irish in this City you got interviewed by the police.

Dont doubt that,but what im saying is it didnt work,neither the internment.It breeds contempt,after our joint "war on terror" how much safer are we ? Or should i think in the terms of the last two goverments "how much have we gained ?". Were a war machine,we need wars to sell arms.Did we not arm the Taliban in the first place to fight the Russians,the way were wanting to arm the syrian rebels. There must be something in it for us,cause we never say boo to Israel and the likes.


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