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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
PostPosted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:10 pm 
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Going round in circles lads,i dont remember wanting to get rid of the Irish when there was a bombing campaign.Also the internment really worked under Thatcher didnt it.We have to rid ourselves of certain elements/radicals but need to be carefull of kneejerk reactions.Its a price were paying for our goverments buisness in foreign countrys.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/feb/13/uk.race1



So you believe there is a political solution to jihadist extremism?

Apples and Turnips springs to mind. #-o

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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Going round in circles lads,i dont remember wanting to get rid of the Irish when there was a bombing campaign.Also the internment really worked under Thatcher didnt it.We have to rid ourselves of certain elements/radicals but need to be carefull of kneejerk reactions.Its a price were paying for our goverments buisness in foreign countrys.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2005/feb/13/uk.race1



So you believe their is a political solution to jihadist extremism?

Apples and Turnips springs to mind. #-o


I'm not convinced there is a problem of the magnitude you claim. Certainly nothing that can't be handled by the current law.
Conlon is right. The current anti-Muslim hysteria is very similar to the anti-Irish hystera of the seventies - Innocent until proven Irish.
It would be all too easy to make the same mistakes again.

There aren't Jihadists under the bed, even though you may want to convince everyone there are. You just can't accept it. :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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So Gusmac, you think the jihadist extremists who killed Lee Rigby, are the same kind, of extremists we had during the Troubles planting bombs on the British mainland, because they wanted British troops out of Islamic countries? :shock:

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Did locking up and persecuting the wrong people back then help? Will it now?

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Did locking up and persecuting the wrong people back then help? Will it now?


No. Now you answer my question above. :-|

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So Gusmac, you think the jihadist extremists who killed Lee Rigby, are the same kind, of extremists we had during the Troubles planting bombs on the British mainland, because they wanted British troops out of Islamic countries? :shock:


No, but the reaction is the same. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.

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So Gusmac, you think the jihadist extremists who killed Lee Rigby, are the same kind, of extremists we had during the Troubles planting bombs on the British mainland, because they wanted British troops out of Islamic countries? :shock:


No, but the reaction is the same. It was wrong then and it's wrong now.


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Do you believe this also?

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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Suicide bombers and hacking people’s heads off, is a different kind of extremism altogether. There is no political solution with these guys. It’s their ideology. They might want our troops out of Islamic countries, but it’s because we are Infidels. It has almost nothing to do with the political situation or what we might be doing to those countries. I doubt they even care. Their aim is to create a global Caliphate. And they are completely brainwashed into dying for their cause, and from an early age. This is their final solution.

The Irish troubles or **** Germany is not even close.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/ ... 9Q20130104


Now I agree. Our foreign policy is a veritable cornucopia for radical Mullahs promoting their evil ideological beliefs. And the vast majority of Muslims are peace-loving individuals and just want to get on with their lives, but radical Islam is a completely different ball game. However, I do believe a fair percentage of peaceful Muslims, wouldn’t half mind seeing the UK, becoming an Islamic State. This is the extent to which they are influenced by their faith. The country they live in always comes last to their beliefs. . :-|

This world was fuc*ed up long before we were born, and now it’s about the legacy we are leaving our children. So what do you want for your children Gus, because that’s what we are really talking about here?


Below is what was written on a T shirt, my son was given during his training.


"Somewhere a True Believer is training to kill you. He is training with minimal food or water, in austere conditions, training day and night.

The only thing clean on him is his weapon, and he doesn't worry about what workout to do - his ruck weighs what it weighs, his runs end when the enemy stops chasing him. This True Believer is not concerned about 'how hard it is;' he knows either he wins or dies. He doesn't go home at 17:00. He is home.

He knows only The Cause.


Now...who wants to quit?”


Oh and Gus, in the Glasgow Airport Attack one of the assailants was a doctor and the other an engineer. They were far removed from a couple of brainless numpties brought up on the Falls Road in Belfast. :-|

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 Post subject: Re: Radical Islam - UK
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Suicide bombers and hacking people’s heads off, is a different kind of extremism altogether. There is no political solution with these guys. It’s their ideology. They might want our troops out of Islamic countries, but it’s because we are Infidels. It has almost nothing to do with the political situation or what we might be doing to those countries. I doubt they even care. Their aim is to create a global Caliphate. And they are completely brainwashed into dying for their cause, and from an early age. This is their final solution.


Can you tell me of the examples of this type of extremism in the UK before Britain got involved post 9/11?

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So Gusmac, you think the jihadist extremists who killed Lee Rigby, are the same kind, of extremists we had during the Troubles planting bombs on the British mainland, because they wanted British troops out of Islamic countries? :shock:



gerry you posting seem directed at bangladeshi an pakistani but african murder that poor lad an in typical african fashion also

i think you mistake all muslim to be same when the faith seem to have many branches of thought an some are good an some are bad

i call it the interpretation of the weak mind when a muslim is a bad man well any man for that matter but in this case it is action of stupid doing will of there own imagination


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So Gusmac, you think the jihadist extremists who killed Lee Rigby, are the same kind, of extremists we had during the Troubles planting bombs on the British mainland, because they wanted British troops out of Islamic countries? :shock:


#-o
gerry you posting seem directed at bangladeshi an pakistani but african murder that poor lad an in typical african fashion also

i think you mistake all muslim to be same when the faith seem to have many branches of thought an some are good an some are bad

i call it the interpretation of the weak mind when a muslim is a bad man well any man for that matter but in this case it is action of stupid doing will of there own imagination


That is absolutely nonsense Tico, and how you came up with that is beyond me. #-o

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Suicide bombers and hacking people’s heads off, is a different kind of extremism altogether. There is no political solution with these guys. It’s their ideology. They might want our troops out of Islamic countries, but it’s because we are Infidels. It has almost nothing to do with the political situation or what we might be doing to those countries. I doubt they even care. Their aim is to create a global Caliphate. And they are completely brainwashed into dying for their cause, and from an early age. This is their final solution.


Can you tell me of the examples of this type of extremism in the UK before Britain got involved post 9/11?


Prior to 9/11, Islamic jihad was all over North Africa and the Middle East before arriving here in the west, after Osama Bin laden, and his merry crew blew up the Twin Towers. Post 9/11 and directly as a consequence of British and American foreign policy to intervene in Iraq and Afghanistan, Islamic Jihad arrived here in the UK on 7/7 2005.

Oh and now we are stuck with it. #-o

And this is one of the reasons I think Tony Blair should be put on trial as a war criminal. :-|

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I'm not convinced there is a problem of the magnitude you claim.


Really!! :shock:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -2011.html

Inform yourself by clicking on the map, see what a global Jihad looks like.

Oh and Gusmac, that's only the attacks that got through. The attempted attacks foiled by the security services are many times the above. :-|

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I'm not convinced there is a problem of the magnitude you claim.


Really!! :shock:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -2011.html

Inform yourself by clicking on the map, see what a global Jihad looks like.

Oh and Gusmac, that's only the attacks that got through. The attempted attacks foiled by the security services are many times the above. :-|


2 in 7 years. Of course your not bigging it up. :roll:

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I'm not convinced there is a problem of the magnitude you claim.


Really!! :shock:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -2011.html

Inform yourself by clicking on the map, see what a global Jihad looks like.

Oh and Gusmac, that's only the attacks that got through. The attempted attacks foiled by the security services are many times the above. :-|


2 in 7 years. Of course your not bigging it up. :roll:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21878867

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