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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:23 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
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Mr TT does make a good point in his own interesting way.

I would bet a pound to a penny that if Mr Madder was in a union he wouldn't be currently under threat of a 6 month ban. (and no not a 12 month one instead) 8-[


Are you saying that his council shafted him, basically because they could?

Wouldnt be the first or the last,i usually find that the councillors that sit on these kangaroo courts like to assert what little power they have.So they make the wrong or harsh decision,no skin of their noses and usually costs you .


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:56 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
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Mr TT does make a good point in his own interesting way.

I would bet a pound to a penny that if Mr Madder was in a union he wouldn't be currently under threat of a 6 month ban. (and no not a 12 month one instead) 8-[


Are you saying that his council shafted him, basically because they could?

To a degree yes, but I also think a lot of conversations would have happened at a higher level at an earlier time than I suspect did.

If I was his union rep (I know he didn't have one), I would have en-gauged the right people at an earlier time.

It would never have reached the panel if I had had my way.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:09 pm 
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So lets say you have a clash of personalities with the licensing department,before long your up before the the councils councils finest who suspend/revoke your licence for something trivial.You then appeal to magistrate and they rule in your favour and against councils decision.Its no great loss to the council and its cost you time,money and inconvenience of which they know.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 10:05 pm 
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So lets say you have a clash of personalities with the licensing department,before long your up before the the councils councils finest who suspend/revoke your licence for something trivial.You then appeal to magistrate and they rule in your favour and against councils decision.Its no great loss to the council and its cost you time,money and inconvenience of which they know.

This seems to be the case :?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 7:27 am 
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blackpool wrote:
So lets say you have a clash of personalities with the licensing department,before long your up before the the councils councils finest who suspend/revoke your licence for something trivial.You then appeal to magistrate and they rule in your favour and against councils decision.Its no great loss to the council and its cost you time,money and inconvenience of which they know.

Councils hate losing in court, they take it very personally.

All the more reason to take them there. :D

Anyway Mr Madder what have you done about consulting a lawyer?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:28 am 
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I've an appointment this morning to find out where I stand I was thinking if it was a over zealous council and the courts often rule in favour of someone working could i represent myself to keep costs low or is too much of a risk ? Thanks to all with the constructive advice :)


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 8:41 am 
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Assuming that you win in court, you should be able to claim your legal fees from the council. Personally I would not represent myself in court. You may know exactly what you want to say and ask, but a solicitor does it in the correct way.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:04 am 
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I still don't know what Licensing Area you are in and that is important.

If you get a Lawyer and win you will get SOME of the fee back. Despite it not being available you will only get the "Legal Aid" rate back, you can bet you will have paid more. Lose and you will face "Costs" from the Council, though the Mags generally don't award the Council all that they ask for.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:43 am 
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grandad wrote:
Assuming that you win in court, you should be able to claim your legal fees from the council. Personally I would not represent myself in court. You may know exactly what you want to say and ask, but a solicitor does it in the correct way.

Thank you i did think that also as they will use the correct terminology for the case where as i would use basic English just thought i would see what a more mature/experienced persons views where :)


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I still don't know what Licensing Area you are in and that is important.

If you get a Lawyer and win you will get SOME of the fee back. Despite it not being available you will only get the "Legal Aid" rate back, you can bet you will have paid more. Lose and you will face "Costs" from the Council, though the Mags generally don't award the Council all that they ask for.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 12:50 pm 
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Mr madder wrote:
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I still don't know what Licensing Area you are in and that is important.

If you get a Lawyer and win you will get SOME of the fee back. Despite it not being available you will only get the "Legal Aid" rate back, you can bet you will have paid more. Lose and you will face "Costs" from the Council, though the Mags generally don't award the Council all that they ask for.


Kings Lynn and west norfolk

Are your solicitors Norfolk and Chance?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:38 pm 
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If it was me me first thing i would do is contact my union rep and get them to represent me but too many folk won't join one and expect Union to fight for them.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:05 pm 
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stationloon wrote:
If it was me me first thing i would do is contact my union rep and get them to represent me but too many folk won't join one and expect Union to fight for them.



Indeed but hes not in a Union and why would they represent him ?? they wont spend members money on non members rightly so can you imagine the response of members seeing a scab [in their eyes] getting a service ffs :evil: :evil:

6 months suspension is ludicrous a Sussex points out and hes right Union intervention could have prevented this shambles.

Not seen any comment from madders regarding Union Association membership so presumably the penny has not yet dropped :badgrin: perhaps it will when he gets his legal bill?????????

Unite GMB RMT deal with this sort issue on a regular basis cost to member about £140 a year tax deductable bet his legal bill and lost time tops that.and were you to join now they could plug you into an expert Lawyer in this field no they wouldnt pay your costs but the Lawyer would realise your now a member and that his work was under observation by the Union. youve been shafted but some **** reptile sitting on a bench who hates workers, theres plenty in that field :D :D :D

Keep us up to date madders and i wish you luck TT

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 01, 2013 3:37 pm 
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I know some drivers who only when they get in a bit of bother think about joining a union which you are right,shouldn't help non members.
6 months is laughable and Union would have it sorted out pronto.


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I've an appointment this morning to find out where I stand I was thinking if it was a over zealous council and the courts often rule in favour of someone working could i represent myself to keep costs low or is too much of a risk ? Thanks to all with the constructive advice :)


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