Drivers hours.

billybobs · **Joined:** Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:46 pm **Posts:** 175

Is there any legislation pending that will restrict PHV drivers hours?

roythebus · **Joined:** Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:17 pm **Posts:** 2712

Not that I know of, but rumblings from the EU about it. I'd venture to suggest that the Working Time Directive applies to the self-employed as well as those employed!

trotskys twin · **Joined:** Wed May 23, 2012 7:24 pm **Posts:** 6755

billybobs wrote:

Is there any legislation pending that will restrict PHV drivers hours?

Yep loads of it including the Working Time Directive plenty take appalling risks by working exhausted, remember the Selby accident was caused by tiredness £90 million costs 35 dead i believe :cry:

Brake website covers plenty on driving tired a few years ago did a meeting in the House of Commons with Brake and the Loughborough University sleep deprivation unit.

billybobs · **Joined:** Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:46 pm **Posts:** 175

Ten dead actually. Any ideas on how it would/could be enforced.

Sussex · **Posted:** Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:01 pm

billybobs wrote:

Is there any legislation pending that will restrict PHV drivers hours?

Only if they are employed.

Sussex · **Posted:** Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:03 pm

billybobs wrote:

Ten dead actually. Any ideas on how it would/could be enforced.

Same way as it would apply to taxi drivers, when and if it comes in.

I'm interested why you only mention PH drivers.

cabbyman · **Posted:** Mon Aug 05, 2013 6:49 pm

Road Traffic legislation. Driving without due care and consideration, dangerous driving, etc.

billybobs · **Joined:** Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:46 pm **Posts:** 175

Sussex wrote:

billybobs wrote:

Ten dead actually. Any ideas on how it would/could be enforced.

Same way as it would apply to taxi drivers, when and if it comes in.

I'm interested why you only mention PH drivers.

No reason, thats what I do at the moment,nothing sinister. If you don't know then just say so.

trotskys twin · **Joined:** Wed May 23, 2012 7:24 pm **Posts:** 6755

Sussex wrote:

billybobs wrote:

Is there any legislation pending that will restrict PHV drivers hours?

Only if they are employed.

Wrong mush you aint fit and proper if you WORK for excessive hours! as contained in the WTD.

Thought you would know that

wannabeeahack · **Posted:** Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:19 pm

There is the WTD and there are UK driver hours, 2 different things

Hours should be controlled, for safety if nothing else, it might also stop some hogging 22 hour shifts...

https://www.gov.uk/drivers-hours/passen ... g-vehicles

wannabeeahack · **Posted:** Tue Aug 06, 2013 1:58 pm

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22773

Sussex · **Posted:** Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:18 pm

trotskys twin wrote:

Wrong mush you aint fit and proper if you WORK for excessive hours! as contained in the WTD.

Thought you would know that

How many convictions have there been for your mythical law?

wannabeeahack · **Posted:** Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:53 pm

Sussex wrote:

trotskys twin wrote:

Wrong mush you aint fit and proper if you WORK for excessive hours! as contained in the WTD.

Thought you would know that

How many convictions have there been for your mythical law?

There have been SOME, but we are DRIVERS on a "commercial" (paid) basis and its UK driver hours that will be the applicable law, drivers of ALL vehicles who are paid (anyhow) to drive are technically bound by UK driver hours - the link I put up included vehicles of LESS than 9 passengers, which im not sure about, drivers of goods vehicles not fitted with a tacho (or not required to use one if fitted) are supposed to fill out a logbook.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... -case.html

Quote:

Workers who are denied statutory rest breaks or holidays, in breach of the Working Time Regulations 1998 (SI 1998/1833), may complain to an employment tribunal. Should the complaint be upheld, the tribunal will make a declaration to that effect and may order the employer to pay compensation. Workers may not be dismissed or selected for redundancy, or subjected to any other detriment, for challenging their employer's refusal or failure to acknowledge their working time rights or for bringing proceedings before a tribunal or court.

Requiring any worker who is covered by the Regulations to work excessively long hours could lead to prosecution and a fine of up to £5,000 on summary conviction (or an unlimited fine if convicted on indictment). Any worker or other person injured as a consequence of an employer's negligence in failing to provide safe and healthy working conditions may sue for compensation in the ordinary courts. An employer that fails to offer free health assessments to night workers may be fined up to £5,000 on summary conviction (or an unlimited fine if convicted on indictment).

gusmac · **Posted:** Tue Aug 06, 2013 6:58 pm

wannabeeahack wrote:

Hours should be controlled, for safety if nothing else, it might also stop some hogging 22 hour shifts...

[edited by admin] me, we actually agree about something :shock:

bloodnock · **Joined:** Thu May 03, 2007 8:15 pm **Posts:** 9170

would it be based on hours driven? or hours sat on your fat arse doing the sun crossword waiting for work? or hours sat at home just waiting for the phone to go??....more fecking potential EU meddling in the pipeline using their usual sledge hammer to crack a nut ways of doing things. #-o

Unlike other Jobs you might have to work excessive hours on the three days of the week your busy and then do hardly any hours when it's quiet...it's just to intermittant a line of work to be able to earn a living by adhering to strictly issued EU edicts on drivers hours. #-o

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