Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Thu Apr 30, 2026 6:46 pm

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 72 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Fit and proper?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:19 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Oct 22, 2004 7:35 pm
Posts: 173
Location: Dundee
The comment at the end is interesting, but who knows what will happen.

From The Courier

A taxi driver who assaulted a woman while on duty was fined £150 and ordered to pay £200 compensation.

Following an earlier trial, Sheriff Newall found Robert Adam guilty of assaulting the woman in Seagate on May 1 last year, siezing her by the throat and pushing her against a wall to her injury.

At an earlier hearing the court heard that Adam (47) of Traquair Gardens, was of otherwise unblemished character and background reports suggested that the offence was an isolated incident and that there was no risk of repitition.

Sheriff Newall told Adam that, having heard the evidence, he believed that losing his taxi license would be an excessive punishment.

_________________
Dundee rocks. Almost.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: Fit and proper?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:37 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57349
Location: 1066 Country
The Dundonian wrote:
Sheriff Newall told Adam that, having heard the evidence, he believed that losing his taxi license would be an excessive punishment.

That's the problem, nobody really knows when you have such a hit and miss system of licensing that we have been burdened with.

And when sometimes you have brain dead councillors judging what is fit and proper, the outcome is often one big balls up. :sad:

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:30 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:51 pm
Posts: 5795
Location: The Internet
Yes, and ably demonstrated by the killer cabby in Glasgow.

As much a lottery in Scotland as in England.

_________________
Taxi Driver Online
www.taxi-driver.co.uk


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:56 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am
Posts: 10460
What a good looking boy eh! :D



http://www.eastlothiancourier.com/?modu ... ormat=html


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 7:22 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57349
Location: 1066 Country
Skull wrote:

And what a two bob council. [-(

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:54 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am
Posts: 10460
Just for the record, my opening statement to the councillors was that I had nothing much to add to the situation and that if I was in fact “Not a Fit and Proper Person” they should revoke the licence.

You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to work out that by suspending me they actually contradicted there own decision, resorting to a suspension and not revocation actually proves my fitness.

Had there been any doubt about my fitness the licence should have been revoked forthwith.



George Orwell"Animal Farm" (1903 - 1950)

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.
](*,)


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:41 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57349
Location: 1066 Country
Skull wrote:
Just for the record, my opening statement to the councillors was that I had nothing much to add to the situation and that if I was in fact “Not a Fit and Proper Person” they should revoke the licence.

I've aways had the opinion that councils can't/shouldn't suspense drivers. :shock:

Someone is either fit and proper to drive, or they are not fit and proper to drive, and if they are not fit and proper to drive, then they shouldn't have a license. :?

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:52 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am
Posts: 10460
Have a wee look tell me what you think?


http://www.realfastblacks.co.uk/index_files/Page966.htm


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 8:37 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:03 pm
Posts: 280
post removed


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:04 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Feb 10, 2005 4:54 am
Posts: 10460
Sirius, did you read the report that my colleagues and I put together? :-k


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:13 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:03 pm
Posts: 280
post removed


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:10 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:51 pm
Posts: 5795
Location: The Internet
These committees act in a quasi-judicial (to use the jargon) manner, for example they can take away someone's livelihood.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but bodies acting in this way should be independent and impartial under the Human Rights Act. Thus councillors can't act in this way because they are politicians, and the scenario also offends the classic doctrine of 'seperation of powers', ie the executive/government, the legislature and the judiciary should be kept separate, thus judges can't be politicians and vice versa.

I may be wrong again, but weren't councillors banned from becoming magistrates when the Human Rights Act was introduced?

However, although licensing committees would prima facie fall foul of the Human Rights Act, they are allowed to continue on the basis that there is an appeal available to a higher court.

But is this satisfactory? We all know the time, hassle, expense and general inconvenience involved with becoming involved with the courts.

_________________
Taxi Driver Online
www.taxi-driver.co.uk


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:51 pm
Posts: 5795
Location: The Internet
Sirius wrote:
It just seems to me that it's really about getting at the Council in Edinburgh, with you lot joining the fray because it involves the possibility of plates being issued, something that is quite clearly close to your heart Sussex :lol: you say that it's "a two bob council" what does your council do when these things happen? turn a blind eye.


The plate matter is not entirely unrelated, because again the people deciding these things are politically motivated. This leads to the problem of 'regulatory capture', ie the regulator (council in this case) acting mainly in the interests of the regulated (current plate holders) without considering the wider public interest.

The two issues (quasi-judicial decision making and regulatory capture) are very similar, but the problem stems from one basic problem - politics.

_________________
Taxi Driver Online
www.taxi-driver.co.uk


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:27 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:03 pm
Posts: 280
post removed


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject:
PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:29 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:03 pm
Posts: 280
post removed


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 72 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 433 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group