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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:39 pm 
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Scottish government pledge to end car emissions by 2050

The Scottish government has said it wants the country's towns and cities to be free of emissions from petrol and diesel vehicles by 2050.

It has published a "roadmap" setting out its plans to help businesses and motorists switch to electric vehicles.

The government is to spend more than £14m over the next two years replacing its fleet of petrol and diesel vehicles with electric alternatives.

It will also install charging points at all of its main buildings.

The Switched On Scotland document was produced alongside experts from industry, academia and environmental bodies, and sets out the plan to drive forward the uptake of electric vehicles in Scotland.

Among its commitments are that by 2050, Scottish towns, cities and communities will be free from the "damaging effects" of petrol and diesel fuelled vehicles.

By 2040 almost all new vehicles sold will be near zero-emission at the tailpipe; and by 2030 half of all fossil-fuelled vehicles will be phased out of urban environments across Scotland.

Grants of up to £5,000 are available towards the purchase cost of an electric car, with up to £8,000 available for the purchase of an electric van.

Scottish households that buy an electric vehicle will also continue to receive a 100% grant for a home charging point.

The government has also pledged to provide new ways of supporting motorists to adopt electric vehicles by providing expert advice on their environmental and financial benefits.

And discounted ferry fares for electric vehicles on all routes to Mull and Bute are being introduced as part of a pilot scheme.

Electric vehicle owners currently pay no road tax, with the government stating that electric cars are also cheaper to run at 2p or 3p a mile compared with 16p a mile for the average fossil-fuelled family car.

A third of all car journeys in Scotland are less than two miles long, with nearly a quarter of all trips being of one mile or less.
'Health and wellbeing'

In a regular car, these journeys are said to emit a disproportionate amount of carbon into the air, whereas electric vehicles provide a cleaner method of transport.

But Norwegian research published last year suggested electric cars might actually pollute much more than petrol or diesel-powered models.

Scottish Transport Minister Keith Brown said the plans to replace petrol and diesel vehicles by 2050 were a "bold vision" that would require a "transformation in how we think about moving people and goods around."

He added: "This transformation is absolutely vital to achieve our ambitious climate change targets.

"It will also help improve local air quality with a resultant improvement in public health and wellbeing and contribute toward further energising Scotland's economy through opportunities for our flourishing green technology industries and our renewable energy sector."

But Green MSP Alison Johnstone said the Scottish government was wrong to think that electric cars were the answer to congestion and pollution problems.

She added: "There are just a tiny handful of electric cars on our roads and I see no sign that uptake is going to dramatically increase.

"More could be achieved right now by repairing our potholed roads, making streets safer for cyclists and pedestrians, and making public transport accessible for more people.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-24063461

Just where do these numpties think all the electricity is going to come from to power 3 million Scottish cars, They won't build Nuclear Power Stations, the EU wont let us have Coal powered electricity power stations, they don't want us fracking so gas is out..It just leaves wind energy and even if they covered every bit of Scotland with expensive and inefficient wind turbines we would hardly have enough energy to light our homes let alone power millions of cars, and if the wind does not blow then we are all screwed.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:47 pm 
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Just where do these numpties think all the electricity is going to come from to power 3 miilion Scottish cars, They wont build Nuclear Power Stations, the EU wont let us have Coal powered electricity power stations, they don't want us fracking so gas is out..It just leaves wind energy and even if they covered every bit of Scotland with expensive and inefficient wind turbines we would hardly have enough energy to light our homes let alone power millions of cars, and if the wind does not blow then we are all screwed.


Forget the greenwash for a minute and just look at market forces.

World demand is already outstripping supply and that's a situation which is just going to get worse. They're already fighting wars for control of the world's oil and gas supplies, even if they call them something else.
By 2050 fossil fuel will be so expensive, it will be way beyond the reach of the average guy.
Transport powered by it will become more and more expensive and eventually unviable. That includes us BTW :shock:

Personally, I don't think vehicles that require charging are the solution. But something needs to be done and we need to start doing it now. We probably won't be here by 2050, but our kids and grandkids will be.

There is no do nothing option, if we are going to leave them something better than the horse and cart for transport.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 7:33 am 
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I'm sure we can do plenty, and I'm sure Electricity could play its part but It must come from some other source rather than just Wind.

Nuclear, Gas and coal will need to be used, Looks like we are both awash with Coal and Gas but the treeshaggist trendies believe every morsel they hear from the Green doomsday merchants and wont let us fart for fear of killing the planet.

If we rely purely on Wind only we are going to be plunged back into the Stone-age economically while the Frackers and Coal burners race out in front...


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We need more than wind and nuclear to supply our electrical needs. Coal is the king and will be until they can find a better source.

Coal is no longer a dirty fuel, you've only got to look at Drax Power Station in Yorkshire, it's one of the cleanest coal fired power stations in the world.


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