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PostPosted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 2:29 am 
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Thats what I meant about the site being different, it just has a different feel to it than it used to.



And here was us thinking that you'd only been here for five minutes :lol:

But you're right about the site being different, it's a lot more civilised and the debate is a lot more constructive than when you and your troublemaking mates were trying to wreak havoc.

Sirius, you're certainly not the brightest star in the sky, but you are the weakest link....goodbye :lol:

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Lets face it the OFT report was an attempt at Zwangswirtschaft on the taxi trade, I reckon when governments start messing around in Markets, it often goes badly wrong.

I agree to an extent, and the biggest messing around with the market was section 16 of the 1985 Act.

I'm glad you are with me in wanting to be rid of it. :wink:

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The thread about the plate/road pricing issue, I apoligise,I seemed to hit a raw nerve when I suggested the two fulfilled the same function eg a pricing mechanism, why is this wrong, it was Sussex and JD who seemed opposed to the policy of using the Markets to control road space.


I said it was crazy to charge by the mile. I based that opinion on the proposed charges which were being banded about by the media and which were not denied by the Minister. If fuel duty was removed and the price of petrol came down to 70 pence a gallon and the mileage charge was a penny or two pence a mile then that would no doubt be acceptable to most people, including me. We know that is not going to happen and the whole exercise is about raising extra revenue.

Your analogy about plates and road tax is so far removed from reality that it leads me to believe that perhaps you wanted to hijack the thread in favour of plate restrictions. Road pricing is about one form of taxation replacing another and the purpose is exactly the same.

Restrictions placed on a license by a council have nothing whatsoever to do with raising Taxation. The only reason some plates are traded is because of the scarcity value in 109 of the 343 authorities in England and Wales. To compound matters further 60 of those authorities are still considering their options. To link the sale of plates with Taxation revenue in my opinion is absurd.

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Well TDO I can stand the heat, I just dont like the abuse being hurled about.


Err, so you said you were going the other night for no apparent reason, to me that looked as if you couldn't stand the heat. The discussion was perfectly amicable as far as I can see before you started going on a about antagonism and being fickle and suchlike - where exactly?

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In the above post you mention that I have ably demonstrated where this site is right and I am so pathetic, well if it's the whole site thats right then, as I said earlier, You must be the one surrounded by yes men and not I.


This is a disussion forum, the only representative of the site is TDO - I was referring to the site's views, not the members of the discussion forum.

By the way, if you want to see a forum of yes men, have a look at the one started by the people whose departure from this forum you lament.


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The thread about the plate/road pricing issue, I apoligise,I seemed to hit a raw nerve when I suggested the two fulfilled the same function eg a pricing mechanism, why is this wrong, it was Sussex and JD who seemed opposed to the policy of using the Markets to control road space, I thought it hypocritical of Sussex to extol the virtues of the free market when he talks about plate values, but deny the role of the free market in other aspects of our lives, surely you can see the logic in this
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It costs money to access the roads at the moment, as I said earlier. Directly pricing the roads is essentially a different version of what's there at the moment. There are clearly pros and cons attached to such a change, but I can't see the link to restricting taxi numbers and plate premiums.


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You say they are an artificial barrier to entry, I was merely suggesting they were a pricing mechanism, I think the plate value can be seen as a sign of a buoyant Taxi sector that works well in the locality.


No, they are an artificial barrier to entry - surely you cannot deny this?

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Lets face it the OFT report was an attempt at Zwangswirtschaft on the taxi trade, I reckon when governments start messing around in Markets, it often goes badly wrong.


Precisely, that's why the OFT recommended that governments stop messing around in markets. #-o

You seem to have your argument on plates completely upside down and back to front Mr Sirius, but at least you taught me a new word :D

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Well I have only been here for five minutes, I have always read the posts, I just had not contributed anything.

Although why Sussex and yourself thought you had crossed swords with me before, I just dont understand it. :?


From past experience, when newcomers to the site start criticising the past actions of the site for no obvious reason it's normally turned out to be one of the past troublemakers under a new identity.

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I dont know if the guys you are talking about are the same guys I am thinking of, they often had pearls of wisdom that they did not mind sharing with the rest of us.


I don't think anyone ever disagreed with that, and I'm sure Harold Shipman cured many sick people, but this hardly exscused mass murder surely?

Please note that the troublemakers started their own forum, so it's not as if they can't have their say - but of the three or so people that we banned, a couple don't even post regularly on their own forum, which says a lot.

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Okay, so some of them had opinions that differed from the majority of the users of this site, was that such a crime?


Since you've been reading the site for so long you should no full well what their 'crime' was, so why try to misrepresent things?

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You say they went out their way to get kicked off the site so they could play the martyr, why would they do that?


If you've been following the forum for as long as you claim then that should be pretty obvious - they cause as much trouble and spread as much lies as possible, then when they get kicked off they accuse us of censorship.

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You say they made up a pack of lies about the site, why would they do that?


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You then, strangely, say that I knew this because I am one of the liars, how does proffering an opinion make me a liar. [-X

I do not tell lies , just say what I think, I have no reason to tell lies about anything or anyone. :-|


See my first reply above.

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I never tried to wreak havoc on this site or any other, as for my mates, I do not have any mates on here, I dont know any of you, and frankly after the openly hostile way you have spoke about me, would not want any of you as mates. :sad:


Well if you think that disagreeing with your viewpoint amounts to antagonism, then you're obviously very easily offended.

Maybe they aren't your mates, but to the extent that you're trying to defend liars and troublemakers then doesn't that make you their mate? :sad:

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Anyway , as far as I am concerned, it's just another angle to consider when considering these issues, lets face it they do like to interfere in everything, even if the outcome is not what they expect , nor want. :-|


Yes, but your argument seems to be that if the governments stop interfering in the market for taxi plates then that means they are..err...interfering. Seems to be a massive contradiction there :?

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Well I would have thought that a plate is a definate commodity, well it is if you bought one, they decide that is an artificial barrier to entry and recommend that they de-limit to remove this "artificial barrier" so they have wiped out someone elses investment, they have interfered in the market, have they not.

The council does set a price for a plate, nothing. They are all issued for free.

The only folks doing what you say, are those selling them on for up to £50,000.

Now some may think that's fine and dandy, but I don't. [-X

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But they have then fixed a price lower than that which is prevailing on the free market eg nothing. :lol:

Your point being? :-k

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Well there was a market in taxi plates in some areas, now there is not, is that always a good thing.

Without a shadow of a doubt. Ask the wheel-chair bound. :-$

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