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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:14 pm 
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Sorry that should say under the 1976 act they shouldn't resemble a hackney

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:27 pm 
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Sorry that should say under the 1976 act they shouldn't resemble a hackney

But 10s of 1000s of them are being used by various unlicensed organisations, particularly the WAV versions.

And as the Captain alluded too, Skodas and Mondeos are used as taxis again by 10s of 1000s of people, so are they banned from PH or private use?

Of course not.

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 22, 2013 10:30 pm 
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If the wee Taxi light bulge was removed then it would just look like any other Fiat Scudo, Peugeot tepee or Citroen dispatch.

As for a PH not resembling a Hack then it might well be that the E7 resembled a PH as possibly PH used them before the Convertors turned them into Hacks.


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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:41 am 
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No I'm this town they were recognised as hackneys first by the council.. It's bad enough in this town already, it's bad enough already in this town as it is, people don't know the difference between a hackney and private, and a lot of people think you can just get in a private, so imagine if privates look like hackneys

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 4:30 am 
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No I'm this town they were recognised as hackneys first by the council.. It's bad enough in this town already, it's bad enough already in this town as it is, people don't know the difference between a hackney and private, and a lot of people think you can just get in a private, so imagine if privates look like hackneys


You are cobbling together a crap argument .
You are also deluding yourself by thinking anyone gives a stuff, apart from a few HC drivers in your town.

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 5:41 am 
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This is a discussion forum, don't expect to be insulted, and it's more than a few hackney drivers, it's the whole of the trade in this small town, there is only 63 hackneys, yet over run by private hire, so yes this done mean a lot to us, who have put a lot of money into our businesses. Might as well get rid, and just plate my e7 and become a private

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:16 am 
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48 Licensing of private hire vehicles.E+W(1)Subject to the provisions of this Part of this Act, a district council may on the receipt of an application from the proprietor of any vehicle for the grant in respect of such vehicle of a licence to use the vehicle as a private hire vehicle, grant in respect thereof a vehicle licence:

Provided that a district council shall not grant such a licence unless they are satisfied—

(a) that the vehicle is—

(i) suitable in type, size and design for use as a private hire vehicle;

(ii) not of such design and appearance as to lead any person to believe that the vehicle is a hackney carriage;

(iii) in a suitable mechanical condition;

(iv)safe; and

(v)comfortable;

(b)that there is in force in relation to the use of the vehicle a policy of insurance or such security as complies with the requirements of [F94Part VI of the Road Traffic Act 1988],
and shall not refuse such a licence for the purpose of limiting the number of vehicles in respect of which such licences are granted by the council.

(2)A district council may attach to the grant of a licence under this section such conditions as they may consider reasonably necessary including, without prejudice to the generality of the foregoing provisions of this subsection, conditions requiring or prohibiting the display of signs on or from the vehicle to which the licence relates.

(3)In every vehicle licence granted under this section there shall be specified—

(a)the name and address of—

(i)the applicant; and

(ii)every other person who is a proprietor of the private hire vehicle in respect of which the licence is granted, or who is concerned, either solely or in partnership with any other person, in the keeping, employing or letting on hire of the private hire vehicle;

(b)the number of the licence which shall correspond with the number to be painted or marked on the plate or disc to be exhibited on the private hire vehicle in accordance with subsection (6) of this section;

(c)the conditions attached to the grant of the licence; and

(d)such other particulars as the district council consider reasonably necessary.

(4)Every licence granted under this section shall—

(a)be signed by an authorised officer of the council which granted it;

(b)relate to not more than one private hire vehicle; and

(c)remain in force for such period not being longer than one year as the district council may specify in the licence.

(5)Where a district council grant under this section a vehicle licence in respect of a private hire vehicle they shall issue a plate or disc identifying that vehicle as a private hire vehicle in respect of which a vehicle licence has been granted.

(6)(a)Subject to the provisions of this Part of this Act, no person shall use or permit to be used in a controlled district as a private hire vehicle in respect of which a licence has been granted under this section unless the plate or disc issued in accordance with subsection (5) of this section is exhibited on the vehicle in such manner as the district council shall prescribe by condition attached to the grant of the licence.

(b)If any person without reasonable excuse contravenes the provisions of this subsection he shall be guilty of an offence.

(7)Any person aggrieved by the refusal of a district council to grant a vehicle licence under this section, or by any conditions specified in such a licence, may appeal to a magistrates’ court.

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:22 am 
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You need to refer to R v Bournemouth Borough Council ex parte Thompson (1985) 83 LGR 662

If you put the above into a google search you will find varied opinion.

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:22 am 
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CHRIS2610 wrote:
No I'm this town they were recognised as hackneys first by the council.. It's bad enough in this town already, it's bad enough already in this town as it is, people don't know the difference between a hackney and private, and a lot of people think you can just get in a private, so imagine if privates look like hackneys


FFS, its a people carrier with a screen and rooflight

if people cant read they will get in anything

tell your local hacks to stop whinging

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:24 am 
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CHRIS2610 wrote:
This is a discussion forum, don't expect to be insulted, and it's more than a few hackney drivers, it's the whole of the trade in this small town, there is only 63 hackneys, yet over run by private hire, so yes this done mean a lot to us, who have put a lot of money into our businesses. Might as well get rid, and just plate my e7 and become a private


oh, so its the whole PH trade you cant compete with, not just the re-plated E7?

i still havent seen why the E7 isnt suitable for PH work when a Scudo MPV is?...the E7 tag is just a conversion label

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 11:53 am 
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CHRIS2610 wrote:
This is a discussion forum, don't expect to be insulted, and it's more than a few hackney drivers, it's the whole of the trade in this small town, there is only 63 hackneys, yet over run by private hire, so yes this done mean a lot to us, who have put a lot of money into our businesses. Might as well get rid, and just plate my e7 and become a private


oh, so its the whole PH trade you cant compete with, not just the re-plated E7?

i still havent seen why the E7 isnt suitable for PH work when a Scudo MPV is?...the E7 tag is just a conversion label

My point exactly.

And if he thinks what I said was insulting, perhaps a discussion forum is just not the place for him :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:01 pm 
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gusmac wrote:
My point exactly.

And if he thinks what I said was insulting, perhaps a discussion forum is just not the place for him :lol:


they came on here for advice - not a lecture - however, it seems to me their position is one of being a member of a trade body and not liking the advice they've received - or not being a member of anything and trying to get the advice on the cheap.......either way - that's the whole point of the forum aint it?

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:20 pm 
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Hi captain, I have read this somewhere before, could you please let me know how I find this info again. There is already 1 e7 in the town, and another that they are trying to put on was actually being used as a hackney

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CHRIS2610 wrote:
Hi captain, I have read this somewhere before, could you please let me know how I find this info again. There is already 1 e7 in the town, and another that they are trying to put on was actually being used as a hackney


well it wont be hack without a rooflight or "taxi" signage will it

what other vehicles does the local PH use? the only type not allowed are Lti/Fairway "london cabs"

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 12:26 pm 
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(ii) not of such design and appearance as to lead any person to believe that the vehicle is a hackney carriage;


well an E7 isnt a hackney carriage per se....unless allowed by the LA

if an E7 isnt allowed as a PH cos theres a hack E7 in town, that means every vehicle used/plated as a hack gets excluded for use as a PH....cos thats the argument isnt it?

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