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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 10:45 am 
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the fact remains that, while LA's are in charge, they make the rules, if you dont like it get an ops licence and a 16 seater!

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 5:46 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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wannabeeahack wrote:
if you worked in an office/warehouse or factory you couldnt smoke on site could you, same thing int it


No it int.
If you worked in an office/warehouse or factory, you'd get a fixed penalty notice and a trip to court if you didn't pay it.
You wouldn't have to face a kangaroo court full of clueless councillors, sitting in judgement and assuming powers they don't have.


Following on with this course, If the driver gets a fixed penalty notice and he discloses it to the council as per the law, The council then have to decide if, in their opinion, the driver is a fit and proper person to hold a license. Do you agree?
Assuming that you agree, The options open to the council are:-
1. Take no action.
2. Warn the driver about his future conduct.
3. Revoke the license.
Do you agree?
Assuming that you agree,
How many times do you think a council should use 1 and 2 on a driver before they use 3?

I think they should forget any notion that they are there to punish anyone. It is not their function.

They also should not fetter their discretion in the way you suggest. Each case should be decided on it's merits.

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:16 pm 
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Following on with this course, If the driver gets a fixed penalty notice and he discloses it to the council as per the law, The council then have to decide if, in their opinion, the driver is a fit and proper person to hold a license. Do you agree?
Assuming that you agree, The options open to the council are:-
1. Take no action.
2. Warn the driver about his future conduct.
3. Revoke the license.
Do you agree?
Assuming that you agree,
How many times do you think a council should use 1 and 2 on a driver before they use 3?

This is what we're saying aswell, say for instance you get a fixed penalty and points, we notify the council, they make a note of it, and then that's that. You get caught smoking, you admit it and its 1 weeks ban, deny it and its 2 week ban, repeat offenders, there is no strategy and no one knows what to expect, the kangaroo court, do what they want, as I've said last week, 4 people I know was up in front on the commitee, they got bans of 1,2,3,4 weeks, the person that got the 4 weeks, the commitee, actually wanted to ban him for 12 weeks, and they deffo live on planet earwig, they rekindled their study they did would have no financial impact or put them on the poverty line. Cuckoo the lot of them. Time to make a stand. We want to be punished under the smoke free legislation

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:18 pm 
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anyway, this thread wasnt about smoking.....

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 8:23 pm 
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anyway, this thread wasnt about smoking.....


Well people have been carrying it on, will give you a bell tomoz andy

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:06 pm 
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CHRIS2610 wrote:
We want to be punished


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:14 pm 
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Grow up grandad. You break the law, you get punished. But expect it to be done fairly

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:35 pm 
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CHRIS2610 wrote:
Grow up grandad. You break the law, you get punished. But expect it to be done fairly

Of course but you don't want to accept that the council have an obligation to protect the public, in this case from the effects of tobacco smoke. You just want drivers to continually get a fine and not suffer any other consequence of their action.
It is you that needs to grow up and accept that drivers can't put the public at risk and never lose their license.

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Sun Sep 29, 2013 11:41 pm 
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Of course but you don't want to accept that the council have an obligation to protect the public, in this case from the effects of tobacco smoke. You just want drivers to continually get a fine and not suffer any other consequence of their action.
It is you that needs to grow up and accept that drivers can't put the public at risk and never lose their license.

See grandad your wrong there, my opinion is yes use the fine system first, then if people still keep doing it then obviously they are not going to learn, and maybe then license revoked, after all if you kept getting points for speeding you would eventually lose your license

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 7:57 am 
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The commonest complaints my mrs gets (as a p/h driver and town councillor) is about other cab drivers who smoke in their cars and that their cars stink of stale smoke.

There again, maybe that's a reason some round here seem to do better than others. Because the driver smokes, he then lets his passengers smoke in the car. Unfair competition by breaking the law and allowing others to break the law? You wouldn't like it if someone was to run an unlicenced taxi, so why put up with breaking the smoking laws?


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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:56 am 
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CHRIS2610 wrote:
See grandad your wrong there, my opinion is yes use the fine system first, then if people still keep doing it then obviously they are not going to learn, and maybe then license revoked, after all if you kept getting points for speeding you would eventually lose your license


well a fine or a suspension, its all lost money one way or another, most government bodies prefer cash!

whats best, £200 fine or a friday-monday ban?

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:59 am 
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CHRIS2610 wrote:
See grandad your wrong there, my opinion is yes use the fine system first, then if people still keep doing it then obviously they are not going to learn, and maybe then license revoked, after all if you kept getting points for speeding you would eventually lose your license


well a fine or a suspension, its all lost money one way or another, most government bodies prefer cash!

whats best, £200 fine or a friday-monday ban?


But it's not just a Friday to Monday ban

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:02 am 
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CHRIS2610 wrote:
But it's not just a Friday to Monday ban


but it could be.........

7am friday to 9pm monday, thats 2 school days lost and the best cash days....

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
PostPosted: Mon Sep 30, 2013 2:47 pm 
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Think your missing the point.

The LA may as well have the alleged miscreant tied up and pelted with rotten fruit.
They dont have the power to do that either.

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 Post subject: Re: E7 vehicles
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gusmac wrote:
Think your missing the point.

The LA may as well have the alleged miscreant tied up and pelted with rotten fruit.
They dont have the power to do that either.


more the pity

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