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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:43 pm 
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Of course, Addison Lee need to be carful what they wish for. The way these things work they may well get a ruling that says that Hackneys and PH must be treated the same and this would probably result in the Hackneys not being able to use the bus lanes and the PH having to do the knowlege test.

It's not the licensing criteria that is being challenged, but the Transport criteria.

As I alluded to above all the time hackneys from around the country (including those Skodas) are allowed free access to the bus lanes TfL are going to lose, IMO.


No argument there but, as grandad alludes to, tfl could respond by making the licensing criteria tougher for the minicabs. Especially if they thought too many would conjest the bus lanes.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:08 pm 
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No argument there but, as grandad alludes to, tfl could respond by making the licensing criteria tougher for the minicabs. Especially if they thought too many would conjest the bus lanes.

I agree they could, but doubt they would.

If they increase the entry criteria, by the way I wish they would, then 10s of 1000s will not qualify.

And I'm 100% certain the LC will base the PH standard on the low London PH standard, and councils will not be able to tighten them.

Regrettably. :sad:

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:54 pm 
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If London's minicab drivers want access to bus lanes, then the answer is simple - pass the knowledge - three or four years dedication to be part of a profession - not a rag tag and bob tail two bit outfit which is seen as something to do between proper jobs.........and whether the London minicab trade like it or not, that's exactly what the majority of them are.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:05 pm 
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A spokesman for Addison Lee said: “We are pleased that the matter has been referred to the European Courts as we believe that the current legislation is a breach of the EU and UK law. You can’t discriminate between two types of taxis and we are pleased to have the opportunity to continue the fight against this injustice.”


Of course there aren't actually two types of taxis - there is one type - and this is defined in law - perhaps those big shot addy lee lawyers better refer to it :roll:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:43 am 
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As CC says, I hear lots of shouts about fairness, equality, unfair competition.

It's easy really, if they want access to the lanes, bring themselves up to our standards. Buy a wav vehicle, demonstrate they'll know where they're going opposed to holding every man and his bus up whilst programming sat navs. Have compulsory meters fitted, have a choice of at least a £38k or £43k vehicle . . .

That's equality.

Not a £2k Astra, a sat nav and some small grasp of English.

That's undercutting my service, giving them an unfair advantage over me. So should I go to Europe, stamp my feet and demand they come up to my Knowledge, tests, and vehicle standards?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 1:46 am 
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It's like comparing Becks and Tescos own brand. :wink:

So a Rother licensed cab, where no knowledge is taken, even of Rother, is in your words a Becks that allows free access to the bus lanes? [-(

Whereas a £50,000 Merc London licensed PH is a Tesco variety. #-o



I don't see many Rother vehicles hindering Bus Lane users in London.

I would see 60'000 London minicabs, even a few £50k mercs, blocking them up to the extent they just won't work.

But that's Griffins hope all along......


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:50 am 
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I don't see many Rother vehicles hindering Bus Lane users in London.

I would see 60'000 London minicabs, even a few £50k mercs, blocking them up to the extent they just won't work.

But that's Griffins hope all along......


The unions and associations should be querying the self employed status for minicab drivers - many immigrants drive minicabs (and taxis) due to the self employed status being used to avoid employment rules surrounding immigrants.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:51 am 
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Many Rother cabs are so old they'd have to pay the LEZ fee to go into London...


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:52 am 
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captain cab wrote:
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I don't see many Rother vehicles hindering Bus Lane users in London.

I would see 60'000 London minicabs, even a few £50k mercs, blocking them up to the extent they just won't work.

But that's Griffins hope all along......


The unions and associations should be querying the self employed status for minicab drivers - many immigrants drive minicabs (and taxis)(and skodas) due to the self employed status being used to avoid employment rules surrounding immigrants.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:20 pm 
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captain cab wrote:
If London's minicab drivers want access to bus lanes, then the answer is simple - pass the knowledge - three or four years dedication to be part of a profession - not a rag tag and bob tail two bit outfit which is seen as something to do between proper jobs.........and whether the London minicab trade like it or not, that's exactly what the majority of them are.

If we followed that thread then all taxi drivers should undertake and gain a PSV license when they use a bus lane.

The entry criteria for the job are irrelevant in relation to taxi/PH access to bus lanes.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:23 pm 
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As CC says, I hear lots of shouts about fairness, equality, unfair competition.

I hear a lot about the above, but at the end it will be down to existing law.

If the prohibition on licensed PH in bus lanes is illegal, then things will have to change no matter what any of us think or say.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:24 pm 
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I don't see many Rother vehicles hindering Bus Lane users in London.

I don't doubt that, but the law allows them but not local PH.

I think that's not right.

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Sussex wrote:

The entry criteria for the job are irrelevant in relation to taxi/PH access to bus lanes.


I disagree, they are different in law - separate acts

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Many Rother cabs are so old they'd have to pay the LEZ fee to go into London...

Does the LEZ opply to vehicles with 8 or less passenger seats?

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captain cab wrote:
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The entry criteria for the job are irrelevant in relation to taxi/PH access to bus lanes.


I disagree, they are different in law - separate acts

But the acts have nothing to do with road access.

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