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Flawed logic yet again!!!
What unmet demand is being taken up by PHC? Is it pre-booked work?
Whilst taxis are ranked up awaiting non-existant UNMET STREET demand.
Even you know that in the past where surveys have indicated unmet demand and more taxis have been put on the street, there is no reduction in this "unmet demand" Why? Because it just doesn't exist!
Compare your earnings from 5,10 or 15 years ago and look at the increase in taxi numbers. Have your earnings risen in line with inflation even or have they actually reduced? The market has remained almost static whilst the increase in vehicle numbers coupled with discounts we are now forced to give, has diluted the total income so that no one is better off.
You might think that the monitoring of demand is flawed but that doesn't make it so. Enough has been done, culminating in 2 reports to the council indicating that there MIGHT be unmet demand. Since the council have continually monitored the situation AND reacted to FULLY investigate an early indicator of a possible problem by arranging for a full survey, they have ALWAYS been aware of demand in law.

Just because you shout and try to ridicule people (as you have always done) DOES NOT MAKE YOU OR YOUR OPINIONS RIGHT.

Ali T

RealCabforce wrote:


Flawed logic yet again!!!


What unmet demand is being taken up by PHC? Is it pre-booked work?

So pre-booked work isn’t demand and there is no direct coloration between the hail and call markets?

I see!


Whilst taxis are ranked up awaiting non-existant UNMET STREET demand.



An interesting concept, non-existent Unmet Street demand, ranked up taxis and no correlation between the hail and call markets and the PHC fleet more than doubling in size.



Even you know that in the past where surveys have indicated unmet demand and more taxis have been put on the street, there is no reduction in this "unmet demand" Why? Because it just doesn't exist!



So the surveys are flawed and the unmet demand does not exist. The PHC have not doubled in size, they don’t pick up in the street and nether do the PHC/Taxis from out of town and there is still no direct correlation between the hail and call markets


Compare your earnings from 5,10 or 15 years ago and look at the increase in taxi numbers. Have your earnings risen in line with inflation even or have they actually reduced?


Reduced!



The market has remained almost static whilst the increase in vehicle numbers coupled with discounts we are now forced to give, has diluted the total income so that no one is better off.

The market has increased, population, business, etc. The taxi trade has remained static with no increase in vehicle numbers 1242 for the last 4-5 years the PHC has more doubled from 357 4-5 years ago to nearly 900 at today’s date.

You might think that the monitoring of demand is flawed but that doesn't make it so.

You have just contradicted your previous statement, “Even you know that in the past where surveys have indicated unmet demand and more taxis have been put on the street, there is no reduction in this "unmet demand" Why? Because it just doesn't exist!” If the survey it is not flawed then why increase the fleet if the demand dose not exist?



Enough has been done, culminating in 2 reports to the council indicating that there MIGHT be unmet demand. Since the council have continually monitored the situation AND reacted to FULLY investigate an early indicator of a possible problem by arranging for a full survey, they have ALWAYS been aware of demand in law.


You are losing the plot here I think, the taxi monitors report amounts to a computerized till receipt. Since the Dundee case the Council have sat on their hands, it’s been almost 4 years since the last survey.


They have been aware of the demand in law alright they just haven’t done anything about it for 4 years.


Just because you shout and try to ridicule people (as you have always done) DOES NOT MAKE YOU OR YOUR OPINIONS RIGHT.



Goes without saying!

RealCabforce, I think you are on drugs?



What is your real name?

I think the survey folk think it exists, else they wouldn't say so.

But your point is clear evidence of how flawed surveys are. You say that putting more cabs on the street doesn't meet the unmet demand.

The reason for that is quite clear, the lads that do get the new plates are already meeting the existing demand.

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IDFIMH

Skull wrote

"Yes, that’s the copout, the council think it is clever to go into court waste the taxpayer’s money on a hopeless case, lose and blame the loss on everyone else"

Correct me if I am wrong but did the story you posted the link to on here not say you lived in Haddington, which is in East Lothian, is it not, so worrying about Council Taxpayers money being wasted is neither here nor there to you because you dont have to pay it in the City of Edinburgh.

If Edinburgh is such a bad place why not change the area you work in to the same one you live in and pay Council tax to, that would seem to solve all your problems in one go.

Well I dont know about that Sussex, you may suspect many of us are to THICK to understand that a dozen or so plates are better than hundreds, how did you arrive at that arrogant nonsense, surely it's you thats thick for thinking hundreds are always better than a dozen or so plates no matter what anyone says, using your own train of thought.

The Councillors in Edinburgh may be elected Buffoons, but it was the people of Edinburgh who voted them in, it will be the people of Edinburgh who vote them out.

Meanwhile , and until they are voted out they will just carry on with their job, thats democracy for you eh

Come to think of it Sussex, is that an admission that de-limiting is not always a good thing, if a dozen or so plates are better than hundreds, sounds like it to me.

Just another thought, does East Lothian Council place a Limit on Numbers, I found a Document that said they do not have to sit any knowledge test, but dont know if they have a Limit on numbers, I also found the document with the Taxi fare Comparison Table for the rise they had last year

http://www.eastlothian.gov.uk/CMISWebPu ... ument=3237

What I really want to know is if there are no limits, no tests and no plate values how come the Fares are not a good deal cheaper to reflect this, this is a question that has puzzled me about the whole de-limit debate.

While each case has its own peculiar circumstances one can't escape the fact that precedents in common law are established and maintained. I'm afraid there were many precedents set in the Dundee case with the help of the Coyle case.

I believe It would be wrong to infer that the precedents set in the Dundee case would not be upheld in the forthcoming Edinburgh case. The ruling in Dundee is quite clear and unambiguous.

It was established in the Dundee case that a council could not rely on a Historical survey in order to convince itself that there was no unmet demand. It was also established that a council who was not in possession of evidence of unmet demand had to issue licenses until such time as they were sure.

It was also established that a waiting list had no lawful purpose when a council was not sure of demand and those persons placed on a waiting list did not take precedent over someone who had appealed the decision of a licensing Authority to refuse a license.

It should also be noted that the court did not advise Dundee council how to keep itself informed as to the level of demand, only that it should do so on a regular basis. In the light of a Councils preferred policy to restrict numbers one would expect that only an independent body could reliably be seen as impartial when such evidence is gathered.

The deferment issue is interesting but it seems at the moment the appellants have all the ticks in the right boxes. Dundee learnt a valuable lesson and I believe Edinburgh will learn one too. Perhaps it will bring a little reality to these councillors who think they can ride rough shod over the rights of individuals.

Regards

JD

Sirius, you have the uncanny ability of cramming so many words into so little thought, and then you go away and pat yourself on the back for a job well done.


Marvellous!

Spot on JD, athough I am sure Sillyarse, sorry i meant to say Sirius has something to say about this.

So I take it from this that you are only interested in a plate for yourself (and maybe a few of your colleagues) and not for others who would are interested in a plate?

Just like 203020 in Dundee, the case you are relying on?

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Dundee rocks. Almost.

The question was posed suggesting the existing trade would be better off with just a few extra plates as opposed to many hundreds. I pointed out, that from a common sense point of view, existing drivers would and maybe should support that.

But hey, if you would rather the council de-limit, then good for you.

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IDFIMH

I refer you to my previous answer.

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IDFIMH