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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:24 pm 
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As things stand I am probably not in a position to continue with the contract now even if it was offered back to me.


so.....will you be laying staff off?..... :roll:

I don't have staff to lay off. They transferred with the job. They are no longer my staff. IT IS AN AUTOMATIC TRANSFER.

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As things stand I am probably not in a position to continue with the contract now even if it was offered back to me.


so.....will you be laying staff off?..... :roll:

I don't have staff to lay off. They transferred with the job. They are no longer my staff. IT IS AN AUTOMATIC TRANSFER.


If the winning firm dont want they can come back cant they? you were 2nd best price i thought?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 5:08 pm 
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I believe the winning bidder has accepted the contract. That makes the staff his problem. Grandad is under no obligation to accept a contract now, should the current contractor fail to fulfill it.

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I believe the winning bidder has accepted the contract. That makes the staff his problem. Grandad is under no obligation to accept a contract now, should the current contractor fail to fulfill it.


time will tell all

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 7:33 pm 
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This is all very interesting stuff, and I suspect never been discussed on a taxi forum.

However, it's very sad to see those staff being used as a guinea pig.

The council have all the cards, if the contract isn't being run under existing law, then they should re-tender and offer it to a firm that does adhere to the law.

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This is all very interesting stuff, and I suspect never been discussed on a taxi forum.

However, it's very sad to see those staff being used as a guinea pig.

The council have all the cards, if the contract isn't being run under existing law, then they should re-tender and offer it to a firm that does adhere to the law.


Id have thought staff employed on a contract which already had an end date not far off wouldnt be too shocked

Its obvious a council with £600/wk school run to cover will seek the best price too

Maybe just using council employed escorts would sort it

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 9:25 pm 
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ISTR the councils used to employ escorts; then Mrs T came along and privatised it all, so they all had to be either self-employed or employed by the operators!

As for companies phoenixing, that doesn't make a bit of difference to TUPE, the rights still exist for continued employment with the service. An operator cannot move a contract to another entity without the approval of the council.


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ISTR the councils used to employ escorts; then Mrs T came along and privatised it all, so they all had to be either self-employed or employed by the operators!

As for companies phoenixing, that doesn't make a bit of difference to TUPE, the rights still exist for continued employment with the service. An operator cannot move a contract to another entity without the approval of the council.


no but its a years breathing space and no debts...lol

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:28 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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ISTR the councils used to employ escorts; then Mrs T came along and privatised it all, so they all had to be either self-employed or employed by the operators!

As for companies phoenixing, that doesn't make a bit of difference to TUPE, the rights still exist for continued employment with the service. An operator cannot move a contract to another entity without the approval of the council.


no but its a years breathing space and no debts...lol

I think you will find that there are clauses in the framework agreement that say that you will have all your contracts removed if you go bankrupt. This would also mean that the new company will not be on the framework so no more tenders. The simple answer that has no cost implications is that if you don't want the employees then don't accept the job. It is that simple.

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grandad wrote:
wannabeeahack wrote:
roythebus wrote:
ISTR the councils used to employ escorts; then Mrs T came along and privatised it all, so they all had to be either self-employed or employed by the operators!

As for companies phoenixing, that doesn't make a bit of difference to TUPE, the rights still exist for continued employment with the service. An operator cannot move a contract to another entity without the approval of the council.


no but its a years breathing space and no debts...lol

I think you will find that there are clauses in the framework agreement that say that you will have all your contracts removed if you go bankrupt. This would also mean that the new company will not be on the framework so no more tenders. The simple answer that has no cost implications is that if you don't want the employees then don't accept the job. It is that simple.


Theres more than 1 way to skin a cat, I know, ive used several already

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:35 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:

Theres more than 1 way to skin a cat, I know, ive used several already


But why make life more difficult than it already is. Don't forget that the price given for this particular job will cost more to run than the tendered price even at minimum wage.

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grandad wrote:
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Theres more than 1 way to skin a cat, I know, ive used several already


But why make life more difficult than it already is. Don't forget that the price given for this particular job will cost more to run than the tendered price even at minimum wage.


what, its gonna cost £400 to operate it?

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wannabeeahack wrote:
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Theres more than 1 way to skin a cat, I know, ive used several already


But why make life more difficult than it already is. Don't forget that the price given for this particular job will cost more to run than the tendered price even at minimum wage.


what, its gonna cost £400 to operate it?

At minimum wages for the driver and escort you are looking at £55.00 per day and the fuel cost per day is at least £20 per day so you are looking at £75.00 without insuring, taxing, and maintaining the vehicle let alone the cost of admin etc.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:44 pm 
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The new employer was supposed to let the staff know how much they would get for the job today. He hasn't been in touch, what a surprise. I sent him a letter this morning to say that they had been paid by me up to December 20th when our contract ended and informing him of the holidays that were outstanding.

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At minimum wages for the driver and escort you are looking at £55.00 per day and the fuel cost per day is at least £20 per day so you are looking at £75.00 without insuring, taxing, and maintaining the vehicle let alone the cost of admin etc.


Q. did you pay the escort for all the time spent in the car or just whilst carrying the pupil(s)

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