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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:52 am 
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At minimum wages for the driver and escort you are looking at £55.00 per day and the fuel cost per day is at least £20 per day so you are looking at £75.00 without insuring, taxing, and maintaining the vehicle let alone the cost of admin etc.


Q. did you pay the escort for all the time spent in the car or just whilst carrying the pupil(s)

Obviously she was paid for the whole time she was in the car.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 2:38 pm 
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seeing as a school year is only 34 (ish) weeks or 190 days (ish) did you pay the driver and escort holiday pay when the school was off?

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:29 pm 
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seeing as a school year is only 34 (ish) weeks or 190 days (ish) did you pay the driver and escort holiday pay when the school was off?

Have you got 2 heads? normally to be this stupid would require more than 1 head. If you actually read things properly you would see that the employees got holiday pay. The minimum holiday pay permitted by law is 28 days per year. If I wanted to, I could employ them from the start of the autumn term and then make them redundant at the end of the summer term every year and save myself about 3 days holiday pay per year, but I don't because I am not an a55hole.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:12 pm 
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Holiday pay is calculated pro-rata for staff that don't work every day of the year and part-time staff.

260 working days a year; school working days 190 a year. Work it out. Number of statutory holiday days divided by 0.73. is 20 days a year annual leave entitlement. So they can be paid for 4 weeks of the school holidays.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:31 pm 
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seeing as a school year is only 34 (ish) weeks or 190 days (ish) did you pay the driver and escort holiday pay when the school was off?

The minimum holiday pay permitted by law is 28 days per year. If I wanted to, I could employ them from the start of the autumn term and then make them redundant at the end of the summer term every year and save myself about 3 days holiday pay per year, but I don't because I am not an a55hole.


But holiday entitlement has to be accrued surely? Wouldnt these 2 be part timers?, it isnt quite as simple as "28 days" is it

https://www.gov.uk/calculate-your-holiday-entitlement/y

If you had the contract for less than a few months they wouldnt get holiday pay, or do you give new employees 28 days from day one? and pay for bank holidays is at the employers discretion and can be part of the annual entitlement

If the contracts end in July and you then have to tender all over again, you were brave keeping on these staff when they cost you so much to have standing around and not knowing even IF you needed them come september.... unless you had them on a zero hour contract

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:41 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:

But holiday entitlement has to be accrued surely? Wouldnt these 2 be part timers?, it isnt quite as simple as "28 days" is it

https://www.gov.uk/calculate-your-holiday-entitlement/y

If you had the contract for less than a few months they wouldnt get holiday pay, or do you give new employees 28 days from day one? and pay for bank holidays is at the employers discretion and can be part of the annual entitlement

If the contracts end in July and you then have to tender all over again, you were brave keeping on these staff when they cost you so much to have standing around and not knowing even IF you needed them come september.... unless you had them on a zero hour contract

Holiday starts to accrue from day 1. yes they are part timers and they have a 16 hour working week, term time only, with additional hours being overtime so they get 28 days holiday at 3.2 hours a day. It is all in their written contract of employment.

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TUPE would only cover employees wholly and solely employed on the run you lost, didnt you only have it from September?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:29 pm 
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187 posts backwards and forwards........................and what is plainly obvious is that .................these employees are mugs not to be in a Union.......where this issue would be sorted by one phone call...................also it would have assisted Grandad to have had membership or even a recognition arrangement #-o #-o

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187 posts backwards and forwards........................and what is plainly obvious is that .................these employees are mugs not to be in a Union.......where this issue would be sorted by one phone call...................also it would have assisted Grandad to have had membership or even a recognition arrangement #-o #-o

YOU CANT BEAT PROFESSIONAL ADVICE #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

HOPE YOU GET THE CONTRACT BACK GRANDAD =D> =D> =D> =D>



he says he cant do it now...

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 1:38 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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187 posts backwards and forwards........................and what is plainly obvious is that .................these employees are mugs not to be in a Union.......where this issue would be sorted by one phone call...................also it would have assisted Grandad to have had membership or even a recognition arrangement #-o #-o

YOU CANT BEAT PROFESSIONAL ADVICE #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

HOPE YOU GET THE CONTRACT BACK GRANDAD =D> =D> =D> =D>



he says he cant do it now...


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wannabeeahack wrote:
TUPE would only cover employees wholly and solely employed on the run you lost, didnt you only have it from September?

Rubbish!

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:19 pm 
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grandad wrote:
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TUPE would only cover employees wholly and solely employed on the run you lost, didnt you only have it from September?

Rubbish!


Well if the driver did other work besides the school run and had only started on it in September can you use TUPE to transfer him on the premise of the change in supplier?

Were you able to comply with this bit too?

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The outgoing employer has a duty to provide the incoming employer with written details of the transferring employees (including identity, age, particulars of employment, disciplinary and grievance records, employee claims and collective agreements) together with all associated rights and liabilities that will transfer. This information must be given not less than 14 days before the transfer, although in practice the incoming employer will aim to attain this information much earlier.

If there is a failure to comply with this duty by the outgoing employer, the incoming employer can apply to the Tribunal for compensation which will be assessed with regard to the losses suffered with a minimum award of £500 per employee.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 5:26 pm 
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ISTR Grandad saying the driver and escort were employed solely on that contract, and that he has already contacted the new employer with the relevant information. Keep up at the back!


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ISTR Grandad saying the driver and escort were employed solely on that contract, and that he has already contacted the new employer with the relevant information. Keep up at the back!


Thats my point, he only employed them in September and he only found out who had the won the contract on the 11th of December, so had 14 days to comply

I am up to speed, trust me

Redundancy pay is only payable after 2 years employment

You cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal unless you have been employed for at least one year. You therefore have very limited protection when you start a job and your employer could dismiss you without having to justify it during the first year.

http://careers.theguardian.com/careers- ... lip-landau

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 01, 2014 6:57 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
roythebus wrote:
ISTR Grandad saying the driver and escort were employed solely on that contract, and that he has already contacted the new employer with the relevant information. Keep up at the back!


Thats my point, he only employed them in September and he only found out who had the won the contract on the 11th of December, so had 14 days to comply

I am up to speed, trust me

Redundancy pay is only payable after 2 years employment

You cannot bring a claim for unfair dismissal unless you have been employed for at least one year. You therefore have very limited protection when you start a job and your employer could dismiss you without having to justify it during the first year.

http://careers.theguardian.com/careers- ... lip-landau

The new employer must give proper notice as per the contract of employment or payment in liew of. The notice period is one month and don't forget the holiday pay. The new employer was given all the relevent information as soon as we were notified.
Do you thing I have not been an employer for very long and don't know my obligations?

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