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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:25 pm 
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I have no problems with the essence of your argument, but I can't emphasise enough how important it is to have fixed terms in office for elected officials. A maximum of say, three years, before having to stand down. Oh and once you've served on the committee. You can no longer put yourself forward for reelection.

The above is the only way to stop turning these organisations into gravy trains for career politicians. The power of the Union would then lie with the body of its membership. :-|

It would be back to, one out all out. :-|

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talking about jail birds also getting the vote.

I think you will find that the Government and the opposition are against this. It is an EU directive.

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who are only successful because the likes of you CC, Gus, Cab John are not present to STOP them


Hey, leave me out of it. [-X

Labour was never my party in the first place, so it ain't mine to change or take back.
You lot let these lunatics take over the assylum. You get them back in their straight jackets and rubber rooms. #-o

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talking about jail birds also getting the vote.

I think you will find that the Government and the opposition are against this. It is an EU directive.


You are right as of now - however it was muted in government circles back a few years ago about giving them the vote...................

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j& ... YZxmWBFEbw

Having said that - Cameron has been consistent in saying..........No.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:04 pm 
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Prisoners having the vote was just a distraction. Think about it, how many in prisoners would use the vote, even if they had the opportunity? Oh and you either have the same Human Rights as everyone else, or you are considered to be subhuman as a consequence of being convicted of a crime and locked up.


Now which is it, you can't have it both ways.


The Government got it wrong. #-o

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 3:40 pm 
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Trotsky, tell me where I have it wrong?


Thats only a matter of opinion ..............mine is that to influence any organisation in your interests ie Political Party / Union you have to be in it, i am in A union and a member of the Labour Party .............and yes i have watched and fought within the Labour Party for Democratic Socialism .............i am also a member of the Labour representation Ctte .............a group within the Party whose policies i mainly support..................perhaps you could access their web site for more specific details?

As for Unions well theres a massive bundle going in within one at the moment.................i can say little more but press coverage could soon be out there.

I agree that there has emerged a POLITICAL CLASS mainly of the parasite variety ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Blair...Brown............Darling.............Straw.........Cameron .........Osborne...............Clegg............Maple ad infinitum who are only successful because the likes of you CC, Gus, Cab John are not present to STOP them, continue that absence and they continue to be successful.

I see no requirement to establish new Political Party's i just want to take back control of my Party ..................The same applies to Unions .........their mine i [we] will control them not the parasites you and cab John so correctly critisize.....................who only flourish because of your and your likes absence.

Thats it the philosophy of old TT =D>


You make some good points - having said, that the Government & The Trade Union hierarchy are so corrupt that you/I have to start all over again to make a change as it is not going to come from within en bloc! For example, you have in the past mentioned that there should be "Civil Disobedience" - on that I do not have a problem! It could take place in numerous different forms and dare I say.......legally.

1. Totally refraining from voting at elections - they are already worried and are wanting to give voting powers to 16 year olds & talking about jail birds also getting the vote. You have to agree that there has to be some worry in a "Constitutional Manner" for them to be even thinking this.

2. All Union members to resign their memberships!!!!! That would really screw the guy at the top - he would be out in no time.........enter fresh blood.

3. The population between the hours of 7.00 a.m. & 9.00 a.m. to take a stroll around the City centre roads (zebra crossings just to make it legal) - the effect of that traffic jamming would be colossal on big business, and if big business starts losing money - then those at the top will cop it. Imagine such an action stopping/restricting "The Stock Market" from opening :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

It is such a simple philosophy - If you affect their wealth on a regular basis.......you will get results, as it is all about their wealth............the rest of us can go to hell.

JOHN to be quite honest your idea number 2 above is ridiculous, to abandon members from representation to stop all Union activities for christ sake.......no thanks .......take alook at the Pathectic thread in the politics section wher i have covered the rest of what you have written above,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,forget about civil disobedince........thats only second choice behinD a GENERAL STRIKE =D>

IT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNISED THE 200 KM TAILBACK WAS CREATED BY ORGANISATION =D> NOT BY NOT BEING INVOLVELD WHICH IS WHAT .....YOU ............SKULL ,,,,,GUS .............AND OTHERS PREACH................WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN #-o

THAT SAID I THINK IF WE 3 OR 4 LETS INCLUDE CC EVeR GOT IN A ROOM TOGETHER WE WOULD EVENTUALLY Agree a PLAN............this medium is in my opinion fat too harsh, many comments are miss understood where a smile or a laugh in a room would eradicate that :D

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 24, 2014 8:54 pm 
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IT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNISED THE 200 KM TAILBACK WAS CREATED BY ORGANISATION =D> NOT BY NOT BEING INVOLVELD WHICH IS WHAT .....YOU ............SKULL ,,,,,GUS .............AND OTHERS PREACH................WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN #-o


The tailback was not created by any organisation of which you are a member. So "not being involved" as you put it, doesn't make a blind bit of a difference.

Your "organisation," at present, is not fit for purpose. When will you ever learn.... :roll:

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Skull wrote:
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IT NEEDS TO BE RECOGNISED THE 200 KM TAILBACK WAS CREATED BY ORGANISATION =D> NOT BY NOT BEING INVOLVELD WHICH IS WHAT .....YOU ............SKULL ,,,,,GUS .............AND OTHERS PREACH................WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN #-o


The tailback was not created by any organisation of which you are a member. So "not being involved" as you put it, doesn't make a blind bit of a difference.

Your "organisation," at present, is not fit for purpose. When will you ever learn.... :roll:


Seeing i dont reside in the French Republic being member of that organisation might be difficult, i suspect that their Union would in some way be affiliated to the TUc's European section or indeed my Unions European office ALL Unions attempt to work together within the EU.

MY organisation not fit for purpose...................maybe that, if its true is due to the lack of Drivers prepared to turn it around , or construct a viable alternative, which leaves the trade BOTTOM OF THE LEAGUE #-o IN EARNINGS AND WORKING MORE HOURS THAN ANY OTHER INDUSTRY...........CLEARLY A GREAT ADVERT FOR SITTING ON YER ARSE :?:

THE 200 KM FRENCH TAILBACK WAS CREATED BY ORGANISING ..................SURELY THE BRITS ARE CAPABLE OF FOLLOWING THEIR LEAD.......... #-o

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THE 200 KM FRENCH TAILBACK WAS CREATED BY ORGANISING ..................SURELY THE BRITS ARE CAPABLE OF FOLLOWING THEIR LEAD.......... #-o


It cannot and will not happen in this country as they have laws in place that stop it.

The last attempt by hauliers was very much a non event as it curtailed the real reason for doing it i.e jamming traffic up.

In Cardiff we gave the statutory notice of a collective drive through and were limited to 20 cabs = futile. Law wise you cannot do it, otherwise the Union leader/rep will/can be locked up.

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cabby john wrote:
the Union leader/rep will/can be locked up.

What a bonus. =D> =D> =D>

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grandad wrote:
cabby john wrote:
the Union leader/rep will/can be locked up.

What a bonus. =D> =D> =D>

Sad :roll:


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the Union leader/rep will/can be locked up.

What a bonus. =D> =D> =D>

Sad :roll:


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I posted a reply to this earlier in the day - somehow it has disappeared.

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JOHN to be quite honest your idea number 2 above is ridiculous, to abandon members from representation to stop all Union activities for christ sake.......no thanks


Not exactly sure, but my reply went something on the lines of this.


You are quite right it is ridiculous, having said that a suggestion bordering on the ridiculous may not be far off of the mark.

If you look back (Google) the last 50 years, the Army in this country (or most certainly a section of it) was considering a take over - yes that's right, a " Coup d'état" of the government of this country, so what I am suggesting, is not so off the wall as it may seem. I am thinking similar along the lines for the Trade Union movement i.e of local branches breaking away - if done en bloc then the leadership would have no alternative but to resign.

Many people in all walks of life sign up to "Make a difference" only to be thwarted by those already in power, weighed down by numbers within already corrupted, hence the saying "You will never beat the system". The reason I mention that is because they all try the conventional way, the proof that the conventional way does not work is staring you/I in the face.

The changes/suggestion i.e " Coup d'état" have to be taken seriously for anyone to believe that we can move forward - no other way has worked, think as already mentioned in earlier posts - "Alternatives". The changes have to be made from within - not from the outside as you say, as it will not come from the ground floor membership.

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SKULL I would have the Scots and Micks well front of the English and ten million light years in front of the taffies in the likelihood of growing a back bone.



Just as a matter of interest. How do you equate championing (as you put it) the "Micks" having/growing a backbone, when they have taken an out and out battering over in the Belfast taxi trade like no one else has taken on the mainland???????

I do not see the Welsh capitulating on a scale anywhere near it.

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Just a little bit more to show what you are up against, that will not be changed by conventional means....................

Research Note 112 | 20 July 2012

Trade Union Rich List 2012

Public sector trade unions have set aside substantial war chests in preparation for a further wave of strikes against cuts in public spending, a public sector pay freeze and changes to pension schemes.
This new research reveals that many trade union bosses receive six-figure remuneration packages. At the same time the unions they work for receive substantial subsidies at taxpayers’ expense. In 2010-11 the subsidy amounted to at least £113 million, both in direct payments and paid staff time.1 That massive subsidy eases pressure on trade union finances, frees up funds to organise industrial action and could indirectly support executive pay.
The key findings of this research are:
 According to their most recent annual returns, 36 trade unions paid their General Secretary or Chief Executive posts remuneration of more than £100,000.
 This includes the bosses of many prominent public sector unions, including those that have already launched or threatened strikes:

Name Union Total Remuneration.

Christine Blower NUT £142,363
Brendan Barber TUC £139,634
Len McCluskey Unite the Union £122,434
Bob Crow RMT £121,687
Paul Kenny GMB £121,000
Billy Hayes CWU £119,790
Mark Serwotka PCSU £116,429
Matthew Wrack FBU £115,724
Dr Hamish Meldrum BMA £115,188
Dave Prentis UNISON £108,516
Keith Norman and Mick Whelan (remuneration split over accounting period – see main table for full details) ASLEF £176,417

Total pay and perks for the General Secretaries and Chief Executives at the 36 trade unions in the report was more than £4.6 million.


And there is more......



•The following well known union bosses – unlike most public sector workers – have not been subject to a freeze in their own remuneration over the past year:

Click here to read the full report
https://www.taxpayersalliance.com/wp-co ... hnages.jpg


Matthew Sinclair, Director, The TaxPayers’ Alliance, said:


“Taxpayers will be staggered by the hypocrisy of union bosses who, while playing at being class warriors, lead strikes which disrupt the lives of millions of people and pocket six-figure pay and benefits. Union campaigns to defend generous pensions in the public sector could result in even higher taxes for the families picking up the bill – who generally receive much less generous pensions themselves. Unfortunately those campaigns are supported by thousands of activists put at the disposal of these union fat cats but paid for at taxpayers’ expense. We need an end to the subsidies and a government that stands up to attempts by these highly paid hypocrites to extort even more money out of the hard-pressed British public.”

The point being; It is not so much as to what Mathew Sinclair is saying, but more to the point that the unions are multi million pounds businesses, with salaries and perks rivalling the Prime Minister. The income with no hassle to the likes of the GMB must be in the region of 1.5 million pounds per week not including grants from their paymasters, plus massive income from investments and god knows what else. Take it from me when you start to look into the wealth of the Unions - you are not going to change management through the ballot box.

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