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PostPosted: Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:54 pm 
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Even if you are correct, and i'm not saying you are, the same is more true of the UK.
That leaves a chance of change with independence or no chance with the UK.


No. It means that, without an effective opposition, you are handing over power to a wealthy elite and their political lapdogs in the hope. They might turn Scotland into a benevolent dictatorship. #-o Talk about being right-wing... #-o

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:29 am 
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Gusmac, not only has, stop and search, quadrupled, four times higher than in England since the Nationalists came to power. The police can access your phone calls and Internet data on not much more than a nod and a wink from a senior police officer . Kenny MacAskill our "Justice Secretary" doesn't have a problem with Police mounting fishing expeditions into our private lives.

Oh and he's also trying to do away with corroboration in criminal trials.


Is this really the Scotland you want to live in, a bloody police state, where people like us can be locked up without a proper defence or the necessary evidence which proves you have committed a crime?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 1:55 am 
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Even if you are correct, and i'm not saying you are, the same is more true of the UK.
That leaves a chance of change with independence or no chance with the UK.


No. It means that, without an effective opposition, you are handing over power to a wealthy elite and their political lapdogs in the hope. They might turn Scotland into a benevolent dictatorship. #-o Talk about being right-wing... #-o


In your opinion. :shock: Not mine.
Anyway it beats sticking your head in the sand and refusing to accept that the potential situation you describe already exists in the UK. #-o
Socialism has become a dirty word south of the border. There is no effective opposition - Just a choice of corrupt right-wing scumbags all climbing over each other to appeal to the baser instincts of Middle England and hoping like [edited by admin] that nobody will remember where all the money really went or who jerks their chains.

And none of that is going to change anytime soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:05 am 
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Gusmac, not only has, stop and search, quadrupled, four times higher than in England since the Nationalists came to power. The police can access your phone calls and Internet data on not much more than a nod and a wink from a senior police officer . Kenny MacAskill our "Justice Secretary" doesn't have a problem with Police mounting fishing expeditions into our private lives.

Oh and he's also trying to do away with corroboration in criminal trials.


Is this really the Scotland you want to live in, a bloody police state, where people like us can be locked up without a proper defence or the necessary evidence which proves you have committed a crime?


#-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o


Do you prefer the Tory version of Justice Skull? IDS changing the law retrospectively? Theresa May looking to repeal the HRA? GCHQ MI5/6 snooping on anything they like?

Is this really what you want?
#-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o #-o

TBH, your just polishing a turd citing the union as a better example. :shock:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:17 am 
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Even if you are correct, and i'm not saying you are, the same is more true of the UK.
That leaves a chance of change with independence or no chance with the UK.


No. It means that, without an effective opposition, you are handing over power to a wealthy elite and their political lapdogs in the hope. They might turn Scotland into a benevolent dictatorship. #-o Talk about being right-wing... #-o


In your opinion. :shock: Not mine.
Anyway it beats sticking your head in the sand and refusing to accept that the potential situation you describe already exists in the UK. #-o
Socialism has become a dirty word south of the border. There is no effective opposition - Just a choice of corrupt right-wing scumbags all climbing over each other to appeal to the baser instincts of Middle England and hoping like [edited by admin] that nobody will remember where all the money really went or who jerks their chains.

And none of that is going to change anytime soon.


You can't honestly believe, what I have written is just a mere opinion.

There is no effective opposition - Fact. And without a doubt, you are handing power over to a wealthy elite - Fact - and their political lapdogs - Fact

I'm not making this up Gusmac. You might not like it, but this is going to happen if you vote for Independence. You would have to be extremely naive to think otherwise. :shock:

Oh and I don't necessarily disagree with you on middle England or Ian Duncan Smith, but without any checks and balance's Scotland could end up far worse. I think it's a question of the Devil you know...

Oh and Gusmac, as I have said many times before, I am not pro the Union but independence in its present form, is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

You end up voting for the same kind of people you despise south of the border and expecting things to turn out differently.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:23 am 
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Independence is a good idea, if only we had a political system that was truly representative of the Scottish people. :-|

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:31 am 
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Independence is a good idea, if only we had a political system that was truly representative of the Scottish people. :-|


We have the political system gifted to us by Westminster. It can be changed under independence.

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"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."


Such as maintaining the union?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:38 am 
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Skull wrote:

There is no effective opposition - Fact.


There is none in the UK either. - Fact

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And without a doubt, you are handing power over to a wealthy elite - Fact - and their political lapdogs - Fact


The wealthy elite already have the power - Fact

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I'm not making this up Gusmac. You might not like it, but this is going to happen if you vote for Independence. You would have to be extremely naive to think otherwise. :shock:

Oh and I don't necessarily disagree with you on middle England or Ian Duncan Smith, but without any checks and balance's Scotland could end up far worse. I think it's a question of the Devil you know...

Oh and Gusmac, as I have said many times before, I am not pro the Union but independence in its present form, is throwing the baby out with the bath water.

You end up voting for the same kind of people you despise south of the border and expecting things to turn out differently.


Dinny dae it, it might be bad FFS it already is bad and it's going to get a lot worse.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 27, 2014 2:42 am 
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Gusmac, not only has, stop and search, quadrupled, four times higher than in England since the Nationalists came to power. The police can access your phone calls and Internet data on not much more than a nod and a wink from a senior police officer . Kenny MacAskill our "Justice Secretary" doesn't have a problem with Police mounting fishing expeditions into our private lives.

Oh and he's also trying to do away with corroboration in criminal trials.


Is this really the Scotland you want to live in, a bloody police state, where people like us can be locked up without a proper defence or the necessary evidence which proves you have committed a crime?




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Do you prefer the Tory version of Justice Skull? IDS changing the law retrospectively? Theresa May looking to repeal the HRA? GCHQ MI5/6 snooping on anything they like?

Is this really what you want?




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TBH, your just polishing a turd citing the union as a better example.



Who the fu*k is citing the Union as a better example? The only example I am giving is that in its present form, Independence could be far worse, with the likes of MacAskill and Co. at the helm.

Gusmac, you and the rest of the little Tartan people are so far up your own are's, you refuse to acknowledge what voting for Independence really means. #-o

I don't want the Union, and I would prefer Independence, but I can't see how things will change without the checks and balances in place to make it happen. :-|

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Gusmac, I see nothing to suggest that an Independent Scotland will be any different to what we have now, and I don't believe you do either. :-|


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Could be worse v pretty bad and definitely getting worse It's a no brainer.
I never took you for a spineless little fearty. It's a wonder you ever managed to leave your parents home and live in the big bad world.

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Could be worse v pretty bad and definitely getting worse It's a no brainer.
I never took you for a spineless little fearty. It's a wonder you ever managed to leave your parents home and live in the big bad world.


I was wondering when the personal innuendo would start. :roll: Don't you think it would be better to have the checks and balances in place before you voted for independence? #-o

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Oh and Gusmac, if you do get independence, you are guaranteed to get more of the same or even something worse. That's what you are voting for at the moment. #-o

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I was wondering when the personal innuendo would start. :roll:

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Gusmac, you and the rest of the little Tartan people are so far up your own are's


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Don't you think it would be better to have the checks and balances in place before you voted for independence? #-o

No. There are none under the union anyway.

Be sure of this much Skull. If we don't vote for independence this time, we won't get another chance in our lifetimes. Westminster will make sure of it.

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