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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:22 am 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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From the rules and regulations that came out when they allowed any owner to bid for any contract nationwide


hang on, rarely does any county council wish to get involved in, or pay for, jobs outside the county

can you expand?

I think it actually Europewide. That is why most Councils now have a framework. You have to be on the framework to be able to tender.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 09, 2014 3:24 am 
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And whoever takes it on must employ that driver and any escort required,
That's the law now for all school contracts.
So how does this pan out with owners claiming drivers are self employed???????????????

I think you have your wires crossed a bit here Skippy. The company do not have enough drivers so how can drivers transfer?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 1:31 am 
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grandad wrote:
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And whoever takes it on must employ that driver and any escort required,
That's the law now for all school contracts.
So how does this pan out with owners claiming drivers are self employed???????????????

I think you have your wires crossed a bit here Skippy. The company do not have enough drivers so how can drivers transfer?


Framework is the word I could not remember, in it, it clearly states any owner tendering and winning contracts, must employ the drivers, and escorts if they are required, and must be able to show that council they are employing them.
Our council makes sure drivers, and or escorts are employed by any company that has contracts


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 6:35 am 
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skippy41 wrote:
grandad wrote:
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And whoever takes it on must employ that driver and any escort required,
That's the law now for all school contracts.
So how does this pan out with owners claiming drivers are self employed???????????????

I think you have your wires crossed a bit here Skippy. The company do not have enough drivers so how can drivers transfer?


Framework is the word I could not remember, in it, it clearly states any owner tendering and winning contracts, must employ the drivers, and escorts if they are required, and must be able to show that council they are employing them.
Our council makes sure drivers, and or escorts are employed by any company that has contracts

That maybe in the framework agreement for your area but it certainly isn't in every Council's framework agreement. It certainly isn't in ours. If it was, I wouldn't have had the TUPE problem at Christmas.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:26 am 
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Grandad, I would get onto your council and ask them to try and keep up, the framework is a national scheme and possibly a European one as well.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 9:38 am 
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The tendering framework is an EU-wide framework so that companies from anywhere in Europe can bid for work anywhere.

Kent CC delayed initiating the EU framework for quite a while to the benefit of their own Kent Top Temps Ltd company until they were sussed.

I'd suggest that employing "self-employed sub-contractors" would suffice otherwise no taxis in Europe would be permitted to tender for work!

What has happened recently to alter things is that the DfT have "revisited" the tendering guidelines to be "more in line2 (but still not fully complying with) with EU law and test cases regarding entry level requirements for transport operators in an attempt to de-fuse the time bomb of CT operations and the huge subsidies they get from all sources then compete with bus and taxi operators with "unlicenced" drivers, hence the possible change from D to D1 and the requirement for driver CPC.

CT groups are no longer allowed to tender competitively for contracts, it's unfair competition. At blood y last! =D>

Linky here: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 3673,d.d2k


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:11 am 
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roythebus wrote:

CT groups are no longer allowed to tender competitively for contracts, it's unfair competition. At blood y last! =D>

Linky here: https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j ... 3673,d.d2k

I can't see anything that states that CT groups can't be used though.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 10:14 am 
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Grandad, I would get onto your council and ask them to try and keep up, the framework is a national scheme and possibly a European one as well.

Can you show me a document that states that drivers and escorts must be employed. I would love to be able to show this to the County Council because This is what we do with our drivers and escorts but we seem to be in a minority of one.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 10, 2014 11:20 am 
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Ironically this advert for staff for a contractor is the same council who - when i won a 2nd contract - wouldnt let me have a car do it that i didnt own, so they gave it to the next lowest (i.e. dearer) bidder....

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