Taxi Driver Online

UK cab trade debate and advice
It is currently Fri May 01, 2026 12:41 am

All times are UTC [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 4:41 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
If someone is using the 24 hour contact exemption in England or Wales, is it an exemption from being licensed or an exemption from displaying plates?

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 7:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
grandad wrote:
If someone is using the 24 hour contact exemption in England or Wales, is it an exemption from being licensed or an exemption from displaying plates?



whats the 24hr exemption?

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:15 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
I am fairly certain that there is something in the act referring to exemptions from licensing. It is in the same bit as weddings and funerals. Something about vehicles engaged on a contract exceeding 24 hours not requiring a license or not requiring plates.

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 8:22 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
grandad wrote:
I am fairly certain that there is something in the act referring to exemptions from licensing. It is in the same bit as weddings and funerals. Something about vehicles engaged on a contract exceeding 24 hours not requiring a license or not requiring plates.


parts of section 75 were removed a few years ago - I'm fairly sure there isn't a 24 hour exemption anymore in national legislation, although there may be localised rules regarding the display of plates.

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:36 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
I know that this is an olld version of section 75 and that paragraph (b) has been repealed, but what about paragraph (d)?

7 5 Saving for certain vehicles etc (I) Nothing in this Part of this Act shall —
(a) apply to a vehicle used for bringing passengers or goods within a
controlled district in pursuance of a contract for the hire of the vehicle
made outside the district if the vehicle is not made available for hire
within the district;
(b) apply to a vehicle used only for carrying passengers for hire or reward
under a contract for the hire of the vehicle for a period of not less than
seven days;
(c) apply to a vehicle while it is being used in connection with a funeral or
a vehicle used wholly or mainly, by a person carrying on the business
of a funeral director, for the purpose of funerals;
[(cc) apply to a vehicle while it is being used in connection with a wedding;]
(d) require the display of any plate, disc or notice in or on any private hire
vehicle licensed by a council under this Part of this Act during such
period that such vehicle is used for carrying passengers for hire or
reward—
(i) ...
(ii) under a contract for the hire of the vehicle for a period of not
less than 24 hours.

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:48 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Oct 21, 2003 7:25 pm
Posts: 37494
Location: Wayneistan
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/s ... idance.pdf


the above link is for info only.

the problem prior to the removal of the contract exemption was that it was clear the section was being abused.

A local authority has the power to allow a person to remove decals and PH identification

_________________
Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 6:14 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
captain cab wrote:
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/3985/phv-licensing-guidance.pdf


the above link is for info only.

the problem prior to the removal of the contract exemption was that it was clear the section was being abused.

A local authority has the power to allow a person to remove decals and PH identification

That document does not mention displaying plates. Section (d) of section 75 states that a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours does not need plates to be displayed. Is this still part of section 75?

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 7:48 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:17 pm
Posts: 2712
It is generally accepted that permission will be required from the LA for the operation of a ph car without plates, such a for executive cars. My LO accepts that some cars round here remove their magnetic side plate when doing motorway run as they have a habit of falling off!

I can't find the direct link to s 75 at the moment.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:00 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57350
Location: 1066 Country
We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:20 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
Sussex wrote:
We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate?

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 8:27 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:17 pm
Posts: 2712
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate?
No, unless there is an exemption granted by the council. The 24-hour contract rule was abolished.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:47 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
roythebus wrote:
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate?
No, unless there is an exemption granted by the council. The 24-hour contract rule was abolished.

I don't suppose that you have a link for this do you?

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Wed Apr 23, 2014 11:49 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57350
Location: 1066 Country
grandad wrote:
Sussex wrote:
We never need get to the 24 hour part of the act.

The earlier part of the section (d) allows for permanent non signage/display of plate.

Ah but, if the Council will not grant an exception from the display of plates, can a vehicle on a contract of more than 24 hours still not display the plate?

No, because the contract bit can't apply as it hasn't got a bit to apply to. :wink:

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 12:01 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Sep 03, 2003 7:30 pm
Posts: 57350
Location: 1066 Country
grandad wrote:
I don't suppose that you have a link for this do you?

I think far too much is being read into the 24 hour thing.

Firstly it's not a 24 hour thing, it's a minimum of 24 hours thing, so in effect the vehicle can stay unplated/unsigned for life.

I would imagine a schools contract would fit that bill.

_________________
IDFIMH


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: 24 hour contracts
PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 6:50 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2007 11:27 pm
Posts: 20130
Sussex wrote:
grandad wrote:
I don't suppose that you have a link for this do you?

I think far too much is being read into the 24 hour thing.

Firstly it's not a 24 hour thing, it's a minimum of 24 hours thing, so in effect the vehicle can stay unplated/unsigned for life.

I would imagine a schools contract would fit that bill.

Are you now saying that it is still in the act?

_________________
Grandad,


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 21 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 181 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group