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I thought that written warnings could only be considered for a period of 12 months. This one was 5 1/2 years old!!!

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Grandad,

I thought that was for the employed?

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

Even our Council, who seen to do most things wrong, state that a written warning issued by them only stays on your record for 12 months. Our new penalty point system uses a 12 month rolling period. Maybe they are being generous then.

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Grandad,

on for life here

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Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.
George Carlin

"We can't find any actual law that allows us to take your licence away, so we'll use this instead''

(The penalty for smoking in an enclosed space is a fine, nothing else, according to statute)

So every driver that exceeds the speed limit loses his license as well?

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IDFIMH

If they get caught doing it repeatedly they do. This was not an isolated incident, it was his 3rd time getting caught. How many time has he actually done it is anyone's guess.
I have it written into the terms and conditions of employment that drivers caught smoking in the car will be dismissed and self employed drivers will no longer be provided with a vehicle.

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Grandad,

Comparing it to speeding offences , as you say Grandad hes first offence wouldn't be considered for totting up purposes because of the time frame , that leaves only the last two smoking offences over the last three years but you would cut hes knackers of for that anyway eh Grandad !

If it was one of my drivers, I would, as you say "cut his knackers off" for the first offense.

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Grandad,

But he isn't one of your drivers, and in my opinion your opinion is skewed , and you and I don't install legislation , this council (St Helens) ignores legislation and then colours outside the lines

Why do you say that my opinion is skewed?

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Grandad,

Here above , do you mean the smoking ban in general , or this guys loss of employment after being caught smoking twice in the last three years (or three times in the last six years) ?

I sometimes approve of civil disobedience to protest against unjust laws. However, I don't think the ban on smoking is unjust. nobody should be forced to inhale the used smoke of others, especially in a confined space like a car or bus.

The law is clear: it's public transport, it's a workplace, smoking is forbidden. Break the law at your peril. IF I employed or hired self-employed drivers, any of them caught smoking in one of my vehicles would have their contract terminated.

Because smoking is a legal addiction, and taking someone's working license away from them is wrong in this instance.

You are more than entitled to employ or have whoever you choose on your firm, but the council is different.

They must ensure someone is 'fit and proper', and I don't believe a smoking fine, or fines makes them not 'fit and proper', just a bit thick.

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IDFIMH

We will have to disagree on this one.

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Grandad,