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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 6:14 pm 
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The standardisation is for Private Hire, not Hackney. You will be fine.

You make a valid point, but I suspect many councils will stay with the basic standard for hackneys, other than maybe a 100% WAV condition.

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Uber blog a reply, agreeing with me. (That's them f***ed then :D )

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/129058- ... for-better

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Clearly London need to get with the same rules as every other council ffs, what's the problem with private hire having meters anyway :roll:


The topography test for private hire in London is a joke (i.e. the first question is to draw and name the four points of the compass).

If PH here were metered, and you had a rubbish driver who gets lost, and goes round in circles, you would be overcharged.

In the case of Uber, driver's have a rating system, where passengers can rate the driver out of 5 stars after the ride (something similar to eBay maybe), if the driver gets lost you would give them a low rating and eventually they'll soon get kicked off Uber (they have a cut off point, I believe).

After an Uber ride, you get e-mailed a receipt showing how the fare was calculated (base fare + distance + time), and a map (Google, naturally), showing the route the driver took. If you think the route wasn't a reasonably direct one, you can ask Uber for a fare review.

I have never had a problem with the route taken when I use them.


That's all very interesting, but, I fail to see what you have written having any relevance to what I wrote :?

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:46 pm 
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toots wrote:
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Clearly London need to get with the same rules as every other council ffs, what's the problem with private hire having meters anyway :roll:


The topography test for private hire in London is a joke (i.e. the first question is to draw and name the four points of the compass).

If PH here were metered, and you had a rubbish driver who gets lost, and goes round in circles, you would be overcharged.

In the case of Uber, driver's have a rating system, where passengers can rate the driver out of 5 stars after the ride (something similar to eBay maybe), if the driver gets lost you would give them a low rating and eventually they'll soon get kicked off Uber (they have a cut off point, I believe).

After an Uber ride, you get e-mailed a receipt showing how the fare was calculated (base fare + distance + time), and a map (Google, naturally), showing the route the driver took. If you think the route wasn't a reasonably direct one, you can ask Uber for a fare review.

I have never had a problem with the route taken when I use them.


That's all very interesting, but, I fail to see what you have written having any relevance to what I wrote :?

I can. you asked what the problem was with PH having meters and the reply was that if they have meters and a rubbish driver, the customer would be overcharged. With a set price, itdoesn't matter so much if the driver goes round in circles, the customer doesn't get charged any more.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 12:42 am 
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I can. you asked what the problem was with PH having meters and the reply was that if they have meters and a rubbish driver, the customer would be overcharged. With a set price, itdoesn't matter so much if the driver goes round in circles, the customer doesn't get charged any more.


Same applies if you have a rubbish taxi driver. Private hire may not have meters but most charge by the mile travelled

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:57 am 
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toots wrote:
grandad wrote:
I can. you asked what the problem was with PH having meters and the reply was that if they have meters and a rubbish driver, the customer would be overcharged. With a set price, itdoesn't matter so much if the driver goes round in circles, the customer doesn't get charged any more.


Same applies if you have a rubbish taxi driver. Private hire may not have meters but most charge by the mile travelled

Maybe I have it wrong but I was always under the impression that the private hire operator who takes the booking gave the price and the driver was not allowed to change this. I was under the impression that Private Hire was all about fixed fares agreed before the start of a journey. :?

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"Our mission is to keep London moving in the safest, most efficient way possible and we will continue to put consumer choice and safety, and driver opportunity, first." I thought it was to make more money fur Uber.


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"Our mission is to keep London moving in the safest, most efficient way possible and we will continue to put consumer choice and safety, and driver opportunity, first." I thought it was to make more money fur Uber.


How Cynical...It Obvious they have based their business model on their love of the people and an overwhelming sense of the Public good, Otherwise they would have become just another set of Charity Wheels or an environmentally rooted Community Interest Company. :roll:


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Me, a cynic???????????? :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

Surely any limited company has to place the good of its shareholder funds above the public good 8) .


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:23 pm 
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Maybe I have it wrong but I was always under the impression that the private hire operator who takes the booking gave the price and the driver was not allowed to change this. I was under the impression that Private Hire was all about fixed fares agreed before the start of a journey. :?

That may be the case in London, if the punter asks, but not elsewhere.

Many areas have PH that run at the hackney meter rate with, shock horror, meters.

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grandad wrote:
Maybe I have it wrong but I was always under the impression that the private hire operator who takes the booking gave the price and the driver was not allowed to change this. I was under the impression that Private Hire was all about fixed fares agreed before the start of a journey. :?

That may be the case in London, if the punter asks, but not elsewhere.

Many areas have PH that run at the hackney meter rate with, shock horror, meters.

I will have to read our council policy again because I am sure it states that for private hire, the fare must be agreed before the start of the journey.

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grandad wrote:
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grandad wrote:
Maybe I have it wrong but I was always under the impression that the private hire operator who takes the booking gave the price and the driver was not allowed to change this. I was under the impression that Private Hire was all about fixed fares agreed before the start of a journey. :?

That may be the case in London, if the punter asks, but not elsewhere.

Many areas have PH that run at the hackney meter rate with, shock horror, meters.

I will have to read our council policy again because I am sure it states that for private hire, the fare must be agreed before the start of the journey.


I can just see Delta giving a price to every person that rings them, me thinks not :wink:

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I can just see Delta giving a price to every person that rings them, me thinks not :wink:

What happens if a customer asks for a price?

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"Our mission is to keep London moving in the safest, most efficient way possible and we will continue to put consumer choice and safety, and driver opportunity, first." I thought it was to make more money fur Uber.



And avoid paying tax in the UK by syphoning the profits off to an office somewhere in Holland.

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grandad wrote:
What happens if a customer asks for a price?

All our PH have meters, if the customer wants a price we can give them an estimate explaining that it's a metered fare depending on time/distance.

We can of course give them a fixed fare or tariff discount on certain journeys and the driver can always agree a set fare at the start of the journey, which if within the borough cannot be more than the council metered rate.


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