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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 6:18 pm 
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well im a taxi driver so i dont give a dam what house he lives in.
but if he had 50 house and the council were giving away another 6.
only A pratt from the NTA would suggest the bloke with 50 gets them over the homeless.


You obviously do give a damn, hence your response.

The fact is, the guy broke no rules by putting in an application, and even after the rules for the ballot were decided, he still broke no rules. It's not his fault the mechanism wasnt in place to make sure perhaps more deserving cases were considered initially.

Only a pratt from the south coast wouldnt see this

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The fact is, the guy broke no rules by putting in an application, and even after the rules for the ballot were decided, he still broke no rules. It's not his fault the mechanism wasnt in place to make sure perhaps more deserving cases were considered initially.

just because he was allowed to be greedy doesnt mean the unions should support him.
so much for the workers united. :shock:
more of a case of screw the workers look after the bosses.
very new labour. [-(


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just because he was allowed to be greedy doesnt mean the unions should support him.
so much for the workers united.
more of a case of screw the workers look after the bosses.
very new labour.


I'm not supporting him, just pointing out he broke no rules, my personal thoughts are probably similar to the sentiments expressed in the thread.

It's probably why the LA changed the rules, hence the courtcase.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 9:46 pm 
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In part i agree with what all of you are saying, but at the end of the day Carl is a businessman and as such saw what he thought was a good business move, unfortunately for the rest of us it turned out to be the wrong move. I have no axe to grind as far as Carl is concerned, in fifteen years of taxi-ing in Cardiff i have only met him twice, so from an independent taxi drivers point of view de-limiting is both a financial and working environmental disaster. The population of Cardiff is approx 313,000 and has 480 taxi's plus over 1,000 private hire cars, (some of who work the streets on a friday and saturday nights,(these statistics were supplied by Cardiff Hackney Office)) also on a friday and saturday night Cardiff Bus run a cheap bus service from Westgate St to all parts of Cardiff from 11:00am - 3:00pm (this cancels out any unmet demand on those nights, the Council was using as a reason to delimit) the customer base in Cardiff is not large enought to sustain an unlimited amount of Hackney Carriages and still enable the independant driver to survive, also what about the rest of the week when there's not enought work for the 480 taxi's + the private hire's. this means that most of the independent drivers would have to join a company to survive.
Question who owns one of the largest taxi companies, and many of the smaller ones?
As for Counciler Islam presenting a petition from the Cardiff Taxi Drivers Association, i have been driving a taxi in Cardiff (working the streets) and been a member of the HC Association for as long as it has been going. i have never been aproached by or heard of CTD Association. Who are they and when was this petition handed around the trade?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:27 pm 
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As for Counciler Islam presenting a petition from the Cardiff Taxi Drivers Association, i have been driving a taxi in Cardiff (working the streets) and been a member of the HC Association for as long as it has been going. i have never been aproached by or heard of CTD Association. Who are they and when was this petition handed around the trade?

I think you will find that many people who say they represent the taxi/PH trade, are really hiding behind capital letters.

T&G/NTA/PHA all spring to mind. [-(

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In part i agree with what all of you are saying, but at the end of the day Carl is a businessman and as such saw what he thought was a good business move, unfortunately for the rest of us it turned out to be the wrong move. I have no axe to grind as far as Carl is concerned, in fifteen years of taxi-ing in Cardiff i have only met him twice, so from an independent taxi drivers point of view de-limiting is both a financial and working environmental disaster. The population of Cardiff is approx 313,000 and has 480 taxi's plus over 1,000 private hire cars, (some of who work the streets on a friday and saturday nights,(these statistics were supplied by Cardiff Hackney Office)) also on a friday and saturday night Cardiff Bus run a cheap bus service from Westgate St to all parts of Cardiff from 11:00am - 3:00pm (this cancels out any unmet demand on those nights, the Council was using as a reason to delimit) the customer base in Cardiff is not large enought to sustain an unlimited amount of Hackney Carriages and still enable the independant driver to survive, also what about the rest of the week when there's not enought work for the 480 taxi's + the private hire's. this means that most of the independent drivers would have to join a company to survive.
Question who owns one of the largest taxi companies, and many of the smaller ones?
As for Counciler Islam presenting a petition from the Cardiff Taxi Drivers Association, i have been driving a taxi in Cardiff (working the streets) and been a member of the HC Association for as long as it has been going. i have never been aproached by or heard of CTD Association. Who are they and when was this petition handed around the trade?


The County Council of the City & County of Cardiff met at County Hall, Cardiff on Thursday 20 January,

3. Councillor Islam - Request from Members of the Cardiff Taxi Drivers Association urging the County Council to issue unlimited Hackney Carriage plates, in order to avoid the city's taxi drivers being charged excessive amounts of rent by the individual fleet owners.
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I hope that helps you.

For those who are wondering why Cardiff council had a change of heart and decided to lift numbers control the reason is clearly documented in the full story. The change in policy was initiated to circumvent any court action brought by Mr Cummings. Seeing as Mr Cummings wanted more licenses the council thought they would oblige him by lifting numbers control, that way Mr Cummings could have as many licenses as he liked. Unfortunately Mr Cummings wasn’t happy with that. Mr Cummings wanted the complete issue of licenses to himself and he certainly didn’t want any of the other 500 applicants to get a look in.

Cardiff council can issue licenses in any way they think fit, they are not tied to a set criteria in fact they can legally change the criteria for every issue of new licenses.

In this case the council had decided to issue one licence per person. Now some of us would no doubt think that was fair and reasonable but not good old Mr Cummings.

Lets not forget that a council can decide its own policy as and when it chooses, under the circumstances the council reviewed its policy in the light of the court action and decided to delimit. It's as simple as that. I am sure that one of the major reasons why the council did change its policy was because it could see that a quantity control policy would always leave the council vulnerable to legal challenges from all sides of the trade. They relieved themselves of that burden and from the continuing spiral of litigation, by removing numbers.

The answers to most of the questions surrounding this fiasco can be read in the minutes of the relevant committee meetings contained in the full document.

Copyright Acknowledgement should be given to TDO if any journal or magazine uses this story as an editorial or feature.

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JD, do you not feel a little sympathy for the poor drivers affected by all this? I am sure the drivers will recover from this setback.


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JD, do you not feel a little sympathy for the poor drivers affected by all this? I am sure the drivers will recover from this setback.


I feel Hackney carriage owners in restricted authorities all over the UK should take a hard lesson from Cardiff. When owners have something to lose they should weigh the advantages and disadvantages of any confrontational action they wish to pursue agaisnt the council. Mr Cummings probably felt he was too influential and important a person and that Cardiff would back down in the face of legal action. He failed to consider the consequences his actions might have on the trade as a whole. Mr Cummings will go down in Welsh folklore as the man who ruined the Cardiff Taxi trade. I have sympathy for those who wanted no part in the action Mr Cummings instigated.

As I said, "it is a hard lesson learned by all but especially those who have something to lose in restricted authorities".

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3. Councillor Islam - Request from Members of the Cardiff Taxi Drivers Association urging the County Council to issue unlimited Hackney Carriage plates, in order to avoid the city's taxi drivers being charged excessive amounts of rent by the individual fleet owners.

I find it ironic that Councillor Islam representing an Association of taxi drivers who very few of the Hackney Carriage drivers in Cardiff know anything about. never mind filling a petition to be handed in to the Council by him. Also i would like to point out that there is a belief that Councillor Islam once owned a Hackney Carriage plate, which he sold at the hight of their value, then worked as a PH driver before becoming a Councillor, do you think that there may be some hidden agenda.

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do you think that there may be some hidden agenda.

Without a doubt, but he didn't start the court action.

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True but i think jumping on the band wagon comes to mind

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Tony Pucknel but i dont know where he came from

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No Mr T that name rings no bells, but i will ask around

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