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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:02 pm 
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Taxi and Private Hire smartphone apps in London Letter to all drivers and private hire operators




This notice provides an update to all taxi and private hire drivers and private hire operators regarding the use of smartphone apps in London. The content of this notice has also been sent directly to all licensed drivers and operators.




The taxi and private hire trades play a vital role in London’s transport system, carrying over half a million passengers around the Capital every day.




I am conscious that the growth in the use of smart phones is changing the way many of us organise our lives, with passengers and drivers increasingly using apps that serve London’s taxi and private hire market. While apps offer tremendous potential benefits, TfL as the regulator has a duty to ensure that the way in which they operate complies with the licensing and regulatory framework in London. Over the last few months you will have seen a lot in the media about this, in particular about the Uber app, and I this note explains our current position on the use of smart phone technology.




Taximeters

As you will know, private hire vehicles in London are prohibited from being equipped with taximeters. However, it is not unlawful for a private hire operator to charge its customers on the basis of time taken and distance travelled in respect of journeys. TfL’s view is that smartphones that transmit location information (based on GPS data) between vehicles and operators, have no operational connection with the vehicles, and receive information about fares which are calculated remotely from the vehicle, are not taximeters within the meaning of the legislation (section 11 of the Private Hire Vehicles (London) Act 1998).




The main taxi and private hire trade organisations fundamentally disagree with how the law should be applied to the use of smart phones in this way. TfL has no specific vested interest in which interpretation is correct, other than that we would like clarity so we can regulate the industry and enforce effectively where necessary and appropriate.




In order for us to resolve this issue as quickly and fairly as possible, allowing all interested parties to make representations, we consider the most appropriate way forward is to invite the High Court to issue a declaration as to how the law should be applied in this area.




However, we are now aware that the Licensed Taxi Drivers Association (LTDA) has commenced private prosecutions in the Magistrates’ Court against a number of individual drivers who use the Uber app. These cases will delay the resolution of this issue as the High Court cannot be invited to issue a declaration while there are ongoing criminal proceedings. Nor will the private prosecutions provide a definitive legal position on this issue, as the decisions of one Magistrates’ Court are not binding on another.




Rather than resolving this issue quickly and fairly, we believe that the LTDA actions are prolonging the inherent uncertainty on this issue and are unfairly pursuing a small number of licensed private hire drivers which we are of the view is not in the public interest.




It would be preferable for the LTDA to withdraw their private prosecutions and work with us to get the issues before the High Court as soon as possible in order to get a definitive resolution.




Record keeping and recording of destination

The Licensed Private Hire Car Association (LPHCA) assert that the regulations relating to record keeping for private hire operators require a destination to be recorded before the commencement of a journey on all occasions.




TfL is of the view that the law as it currently stands only requires operators to record a destination if a passenger specifies one at the time of booking and not otherwise.




We do however agree that these regulations are unclear on this point.




The power to make the regulations is now vested in TfL. We therefore intend to consult on potential revisions to the regulations to provide clarity and help ensure the highest standards of public safety and customer service are maintained.




More details of this consultation will be publicised later this year.




Uber’s operating model

Concerns have been raised regarding the nature of Uber’s business operating model in London. While it is right that TfL takes into account the reasoned views of others as to how the law should be applied, our role as regulator is to reach an independent view of the law, without improper influence, taking into account all relevant considerations.




In April we carried out TfL’s largest ever compliance inspection and at the time of that inspection Uber met all requirements for a private hire operation in relation to record keeping. We have also been in extensive correspondence with Uber to understand precisely how their business model operates in London.




Following this review, we have reached the conclusion that the way Uber operates in London is in accordance with the law as it applies to private hire operators and specifically in the way bookings are accepted and invited.




However, TfL is aware of one incidence where it appears that a driver may have carried out private hire bookings for Uber using a vehicle without insurance and that matter is being dealt with appropriately.




Technology continues to advance quickly and we will continue to monitor developments in way that the market develops in London to ensure that operators and drivers remain compliant.




I would like to emphasise that TfL continues to recognise, and defend, the important distinction between the services provided by taxis and private hire vehicles. TfL is therefore continuing to defend the right of taxis to utilise bus lanes in the ongoing litigation including at the European Court of Justice.




Leon Daniels




Managing Director – Surface Transport

Transport for London

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 Post subject: Re: Tfl statement
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:25 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Tfl statement
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:27 pm 
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Leon Daniels.

Formerly known as Leroy Daniels.

Must be a standard requirement to change your name whilst heading up TFL.


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 Post subject: Re: Tfl statement
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:04 pm 
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Rather than resolving this issue quickly and fairly, we believe that the LTDA actions are prolonging the inherent uncertainty on this issue and are unfairly pursuing a small number of licensed private hire drivers which we are of the view is not in the public interest.

Indeed. =D>

Big brave boys of the LTDA are fighting a couple of drivers, when they should be fighting the big boys from TfL or Uber. Image

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 Post subject: Re: Tfl statement
PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:06 pm 
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The Licensed Private Hire Car Association (LPHCA) assert that the regulations relating to record keeping for private hire operators require a destination to be recorded before the commencement of a journey on all occasions.

So this super modern high tech PH trade that we heard so much about is now saying auto booking isn't lawful. ](*,)

Methinks the spivs are well spooked. \:D/

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 Post subject: Re: Tfl statement
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They are taking Uber to court, just not in name.

They will show TFL up as being both wrong in their interpretation, and incompetent.

Who do you think is representing the drivers? You know the ones, the ones Uber say they've no responsibility for as they're based outside of the UK. Uber is. :roll:

And, as you well know, a Judicial decision on the meter which TFL was after, won't have half the amount of evidence before their Lordships than an appealed case which has gone through the Mags court and upwards with ALL the information including the background of Uber and its practises.

And, TFL were concentrating on one aspect, the meter. The LTDA case will cover much more, operator's license, meter, virtual hail and the utter lack of any accountability from Uber.

You place a lot of faith in the cretins that run TFL.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:15 pm 
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When was Uber granted a operators license?

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:26 pm 
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Apparantly it was 2 years ago, but obviously they were off the radar as just another one of nearly 3000 minicab companies back then.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:31 pm 
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They are taking Uber to court, just not in name.

They will show TFL up as being both wrong in their interpretation, and incompetent.

Who do you think is representing the drivers? You know the ones, the ones Uber say they've no responsibility for as they're based outside of the UK. Uber is. :roll:

And, as you well know, a Judicial decision on the meter which TFL was after, won't have half the amount of evidence before their Lordships than an appealed case which has gone through the Mags court and upwards with ALL the information including the background of Uber and its practises.

And, TFL were concentrating on one aspect, the meter. The LTDA case will cover much more, operator's license, meter, virtual hail and the utter lack of any accountability from Uber.

You place a lot of faith in the cretins that run TFL.

I understand all that, but if the LTDA win, and I don't for a second think they will, then a few drivers are left with a criminal record when all they were doing was following their regulators instructions.

And I find that unacceptable.

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 Post subject: Re: Tfl statement
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GBC wrote:
Leon Daniels.

Formerly known as Leroy Daniels.

Must be a standard requirement to change your name whilst heading up TFL.
Ermm, I've known Leon Daniels for about 45 years, and he was known as Leon Daniels all those years ago...


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