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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:38 pm 
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"not for profit" is after all costs including wages, ergo, if it made £50k in a year, pay 2 managers £25K each and theres nil profit

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:39 pm 
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wannabeeahack wrote:
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Community Transport

Community and Voluntary Transport Schemes provide a transport service for people who are unable to use mainstream public transport. This is usually due to impaired mobility as a result of old age or disability, or as a result of living in a remote location. The schemes are all provided by not-for-profit organisations within the voluntary sector.

The County Council has supported schemes of this nature since 1981 and for more information regarding these schemes please contact:


If the stuck to the principles of Welfare transport no-one would mind

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WTF has School and College transport got to do community transport?????....Arent they supposed to be helping the disabled and needy?...Nahhh, of course not, they'll make more money from School contracts while making no profit, now, how does that work, Oh yes..they Pay themselves footballers wages until the Profit Disappears and the council subsidies run out....Greedy or what.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 9:57 pm 
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as registered charities arent their accounts in the public domain? or would it take a FOI request?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:01 pm 
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wages and payroll £88,000 in 2013-14

contract work £114,000

CRB £239 - how many is that?


http://apps.charitycommission.gov.uk/Ac ... 31_E_C.pdf

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 30, 2014 10:51 pm 
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So here's an Example...Coincidentally it's similar to one i saw somewhere else and is in the Public domain anyway.

Turn over £173,069
Made up Mostly from LA contract work and Various Grants etc(That's nice)
Less £152098 Costs including Wages and Out goings

Equals a a deficit of £20871 for the year.

Now lets replace the Word deficit with profit and this is just like any other Business.

What difference is their £88,000 Wages/Drawings to ours
What difference is their £20,871 Deficit to our Profit?

Yet this example gained around £28,051 In BSOG, Grants and donations etc that we don't get.

At least we work for an honest profit, yet such groups still make a profit (deficit), take nice wages and even hold the begging bowl out for Donations and grants...It's no more than a means to an end, their own ends!!!

If we had that £20,871 sitting as a year end deficit we would be taxed on it's entirety, yet they hide behind the word community Transport provider and end up with it all for themselves Tax free.

Somethings certainly rotten there..They are doing paid work just like the rest of us, that's obvious from the amount of money the LA pays for the contract work.

Seems a Disproportionate amount of BSOG at £5700 or so for such a small amount of fare miles.

I'd like it all explained to me how this can be good deal for the Community or indeed any of us UK tax payers who helps fund it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:18 am 
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That sort of report is just what Martin Allen is looking for as ammunition to take to the EU. It's an outright admission that the CT group is operating commercially, as a business regardless of whether it is making a profit or not. It is operating with a competitive advantage over licenced operators by receiving grants from local or national government, and using drivers who do not have the correct licence entitlement to drive for hire and reward.

There is no reason on earth why any of them should be bidding for contracts, especially school contracts. As Deal Council has found out, it is cheaper to use licenced operators than the CT group!

August 4th is nearly here, the date by which HMGovernment must reply to the EU on this matter.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 4:55 pm 
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That sort of report is just what Martin Allen is looking for as ammunition to take to the EU. It's an outright admission that the CT group is operating commercially, as a business regardless of whether it is making a profit or not. It is operating with a competitive advantage over licenced operators by receiving grants from local or national government, and using drivers who do not have the correct licence entitlement to drive for hire and reward.

There is no reason on earth why any of them should be bidding for contracts, especially school contracts. As Deal Council has found out, it is cheaper to use licenced operators than the CT group!

August 4th is nearly here, the date by which HMGovernment must reply to the EU on this matter.


Bus companies are axing services round here due to funding cuts by the County Council, they're being replaced with the Community Transport groups.

I might jump on this bandwagon before it leaves.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 5:16 pm 
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The bandwagon is about to depart......


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2014 6:37 pm 
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Nidge2 wrote:
roythebus wrote:
That sort of report is just what Martin Allen is looking for as ammunition to take to the EU. It's an outright admission that the CT group is operating commercially, as a business regardless of whether it is making a profit or not. It is operating with a competitive advantage over licenced operators by receiving grants from local or national government, and using drivers who do not have the correct licence entitlement to drive for hire and reward.

There is no reason on earth why any of them should be bidding for contracts, especially school contracts. As Deal Council has found out, it is cheaper to use licenced operators than the CT group!

August 4th is nearly here, the date by which HMGovernment must reply to the EU on this matter.


Bus companies are axing services round here due to funding cuts by the County Council, they're being replaced with the Community Transport groups.

I might jump on this bandwagon before it leaves.


Once they start playing on the same level playing field as the rest of us and have to start paying their way in a professional market then their ability to do the job on the cheap will disappear into the ether along with their ability to use unqualified voluntary drivers who are daft enough to be taken advantage of by comfortably salaried CT Managers.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 6:42 am 
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Several councils have found it's cheaper to use licenced operators; their spare capacity is useful for filling the gaps in the "busy" CT schedules (when they can't find mugs to drive for free)


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The "CT" groups should be restricted to genuine welfare operations after 09.3am that would stop them bidding on school contracts, most welfare jobs (shopping or hospitals) dont need vehicles much before 09.30, and keep them within 1 county, we get Derbyshire vehicles (Swadlincote Community) all over the place now

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what happens if a VOLUNTEER (CT) group wins a job that has had an employed escort onboard, are they forced to offer that escort a PAYE job under TUPE or are the CT groups exempt?

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 8:42 am 
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Community Transport (Stafford) Ltd
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Community Transport is a local registered charity and Company Limited by Guarantee. provides door to door transport for the elderly and the disabled in and around Stafford as well as running several Home to School Services on a term time basis. The offices are based at the north end of Stafford and as some early starts (7am) will be required the vacancy would suit someone living in the area or able to reach the offices easily. The Job is to provide Part Time cover for holidays, sickness and regular minibus driving duties. This is a varied role requiring someone who can be flexible in working hours, has a good local knowledge of Stafford and surrounds, is keen on driving a minibus OR MPV, has good customer facing skills and can also demonstrate a good level of computer ability and skills using Microsoft based programs and is willing to learn additional computer skills will find a real challenge. Posession of a full clean driving license with a Category D1 allowed is highly desirable and some vehicle maintenance knowledge would be an asset. The right kind of person will also find the possibility of increasing responsibilities and expanding the role with a view to the future of helping to run the organisation and progress to management level. On the job training will be given though there may be a need for further training elsewhere as the job and skills required present themselves.

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5,200.00 - 6,500.00 per year
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:48 am 
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Posession of a full clean driving license with a Category D1


They don't make it clear that it should be without Code 101 - not for hire or reward (that is, not to make a profit)

And that a CPC should be available as well.

Most folk of a certain age have D1 (101) on their licence, I had to spend several hundred pounds and a D1 test to have a full D1 with the (101) code removed.

Chancers.......... :sad:


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