Nidge2 wrote:
It's not going happen, Alex has been found out as full of wind - his version of Scottish independence seems to involve telling everyone else (eu, uk, nato) what to do, rather than just deciding what Scotland will do.
We definitely need somebody to stand up to UK, EU or whoever may be acting against our best interests - that is the type of leadership the English would want too I am sure.
captain cab wrote:
Benign under new labour? Are you having a laugh? How many illegal wars did the UK enter?
Yes in a way you're right, New Labour and the Tories are becoming increasingly all part of one thing, one global rights-crushing capitalism reaching its tentacles into every aspect of our lives - take a look at the present housing crisis, people cannot get a home to live in even though they are decent hard-working people - the property market does not work and as Mark Carney says is greatly harmful to our economy. Or look at the health services - driven by profit not people, denying treatment to millions. Labour is not Labour any more, though I believe during the Blair/Brown tenancy they had some sense of social justice unlike the present incumbents.
bloodnock wrote:
I have always felt Equal to all, I reckon some folk of a Yes persuasion have a chip on their shoulder brought about through an overly active inferiority complex that makes them imagine that they will never be equal until their is no one left to be equal to in their tiny political national bubble.
Scots have been leading the world for centuries, something they would never could have managed without the springboard that a United Kingdom offers.
To further Isolate ourselves just to feel more equal is not going to increase our standing on the world stage.

Scottish Nationalism is about going to the world BYPASSING London, ie we become a COMPLETELY independent nation in the world - JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE - like the 16 countries of Europe of approximately our size, or the 15 post-Soviet states. Why does virtually everyone else select Independence? Read the politics of the Prince - Machiavelli - 'Independence' is a FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE for the governance of ANY State - it is NON-NEGOTIABLE.
We have according to you a 'tiny political bubble' - but in fact a nation of 5 million people, that's not exactly 'tiny'.
What we need is for Scottish people to come on board and for politicians like Gordon Brown and Alastair Darling to rethink their commitments and decide to serve THEIR OWN COUNTRY. They did not exactly get much respect from the English did they? A guy in my taxi recently who worked on business frequently in London told me if you knew what they think of Scotland down there 'you be declaring Independence tomorrow' and that is a direct quote.
The SNP have done all they can - we cannot go forward if people do not come on board - and we need people at the highest levels also - in a way those are the ones who have most let us down - they are an absolute disgrace.
I have seen how Scottish companies can succeed on SCOTTISH VALUES - having previously worked for one of Scotland's top companies who (still) make the majority of the world's cash-point machines. A pioneering business built on Scottish engineering prowess and innovation. Princess Anne came to visit once and walked around the Japanese-class manufacturing facility scarcely unable to believe this was Britain let alone a backwater of small town Scotland where everyone is supposed to be so backwards and inward-looking - she was SO impressed! This was Scotland at its best, this was international Scotland. Some English people also worked at that company, but the ones at the TOP, both in Engineering and Management were very much Scottish. The only ones above them were the Americans. This company had customers in hundreds of countries worldwide, shipping lorry loads of terminal every single day. When you see what Scotland can achieve when it is left to get on with it and do things ITS OWN WAY then it is impressive! As I said before the USA is independent and has prospered because of that and we could do exactly the same. And the above business has
absolutely nothing to do with oil - Scotland's economy is prosperous WITHOUT OIL - a point that is over-looked over and over again.
Its a terrible thing to say but so much of this life boils down to MONEY - and the English Tories know that more than anyone - and it is money that is at the root of this whole Independence debate - it is f all to do with the 'inferiority complex' and 'chip on the shoulder' that you speak of - and it is EVERYTHING to do with the indoctrinated mentality in Scotland that sees having vast oil resources as 'no big deal' or even a bad thing, whilst any other country in the world would be dancing in the gushers black-faced with smiles of elation and joy. That's Scotland - that's the Scotland you've built mate.
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