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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:42 am 
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Excuse me for being a little angry i am 55 years old now and i do have my plate yes maybe one of the lucky ones in 92 so what. I am angry that my livliehood is going to suffer because the board mucked up and issued hackney plates it's gradually getting worse in dundee and it will continue doing so i am not greedy i don't have a driver i work myself there are people put there with two drivers and they have a job of their own now that is greedy i only want a deccent living and ye i have heard from a reliable source that we have a top qc going ahead to fight our case we will do watever in our power to stop those granted today or in the future from ever getting on the road.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 12:54 am 
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As i said did you get threatened or did the existing operators go to lawyers when the town opened up in 92 .no.
So in 92 it was alright for YOU to be issued a licence from the council(thereby taking the existing operators livliehood away from them) but when it`s happening to you ,you dont like it,C`MON LIVE AND LET LIVE.
If it was good enough in 92 it`s good enough now,after all it gets rid of the illegal hirin of plates doesn`t it?
Or are you another of the " i got my cake and no one else is getting a bit of it " brigade.
A TRUE SAYING : "WHAT GOES AROUND COMES AROUND"

:wink: KEEP SMILING MY FRIEND YOU WILL STILL BE STANDING WHEN OTHERS HAVE FALLEN


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:11 am 
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I agree with Dundeechap when i was granted my plate in 92 i was driving taxi's for 6 years and there was a great need for more taxi's in Dundee and that was why i put in for my own plate. The problem now is there is no need for more taxi's as the survey outcome say's.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:17 am 
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Thank you cabbie85 at last someone who agrees with me it seems a little one sided here. There is no demand for future taxis thats what the survey came up with not us it was done officially so why now is the board issuing more plates when they are not needed like what my friend said there was ademand in 92 when we were issued not anymore we will be done out of our livliehood if this keeps up.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:28 am 
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I believe that the taxi owners in dundee bent over backwards to conform to the wishes of the city council but they still have opened up the town. As far as hired plates are the council and police could have stopped it without any help from us.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:43 am 
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Dundeechap you may find that once again some high paid official had to wait for 10 mins for a cab one saturday night. watch and weep as the Marrs sneek your living out from under you.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:18 am 
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hoh happyhun do you not read the papers the mars are in serious difficulties so how are they going to steal my living if it wern't for them none of this tripe would have happened plates getting handed out so what the hell do you know. :lol:


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:30 am 
this top qc its not the same one who took all the money saying 203020 didnt have a chance is it ? they won their case as was predicted by those in the know ,by the way none of the liscences issued today were to 203020 all were individuals and good luck to them


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 3:58 am 
dundee chap if there were more ops like yourself (no drivers or even one driver)then everybody would make a descent living,there are a handfull of ops with no drivers and i take my hat off you, but you just dont seem to be reading between the lines you say you dont understand why when there is no demand do the council issue plates, the number of taxi,s in dundee had nothing to do with this descion i know theres to many you know it the council knows it the waiting list is what prompted it, although the waiting list is not a legal document it is reconised by the courts as an agreement between the names on it and the council ,if the council want people to put their names down then wait for 14 years then they cant stand by and watch as the plate holders hire them out,this defeats the whole purpose of the list,the council,s legal team were brought in to discuss the 203020 appeal they will have looked at all the other implications at the same time the outcome of which was in the report
the council know that they were facing court cases from the individuals
who had been let down by the councils handling of the list ,publicly admitting they know as they reported that 200 hired plates had jumped the queue left them with little option but to act the four options were partly suggested by their legal team,as for the top qc there is no way you will be able to afford one the last qc,s bill was devided among ops and drivers as everyone was against 20302 this one will have to be paid by ops only and if you deduct the 200 hired plates (they want wavs so wont be behind you)theres not that many of you left ,in a recent post you quoted 100 against the doblos this figure could also be the amount of ops prepared to pay the bill,no qc in the country could defend a situation where someone waits 14 years and is then is passed by 200 people
at the 203020 court case hired plates were never mentioned once for good reason at that time they did not want total deregulation but now its out its too late your best bet is to focus on getting drivers in your office to be limitted thats if there are any drivers left...


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:27 am 
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the villager wrote:
Forgot to give a little bit of advice for the NEW operators.
Dont go and sign up for a wav, you just might have to pay for a vehicle that you may not get a licence for for a gooooood number of months (heard someone is forking out for a qc and judicial review on dundee city council`s practices), so dont buy a car you will have to pay the chucky on for four years and you cant ph it.
:idea: see you guys
be happy cabbies and take heed


If the council give someone a license, it will be very hard for them to take it back, even if a lower court says so.

There are Euro legal precedents, saying that a license is your property under the Human Rights Act.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 1:30 pm 
sussex man you are right the first doblos will be on next week or the week after once on they are on for good the best dundeechap and co could hope for is to change the rules before any more are issued but this will almost certainly backfire on them theres nothing to stop the council saying okay you dont want doblos on its eurocabs or above but all hacks are putting them on or switch to private hire it may also be legal to give them 28 days to get one like new ops have, i wonder what dundeechap would do?but the most likely scenario will be total deregulation then any vehicle can come on the council have made a move to get the list moving and rid the city of hired plates they done hacks a favour doing it the way they chose they might have chose total deregulation to start with ,but by limiting it to wavs they limited the damage this would cause the hacks dont realise this ,the council will not allow the dta to tell them which vehicle to allow and will fight back,an op last night argued that if a govenment body makes recomendations then they must be followed (dda
wavs)but when i pointed out the oft is government and they have made recomendations he stormed off ,i paid for my application and know ill have a hack wether itll be a doblo or saloon it will happen at the next meeting>>>


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 2:51 pm 
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Dundee chap & co,you have took what i said the wrong way,i know there was a demand in 92 i was there, theres no demand now,but, the way some of you guys have posted saying "there will be trouble" if they go on asda etc is not the way forward.The new plates are only looking to the future the same as what you guys did in 92 ,actually they are worse off than in 92 as there is no unmet demand, we all know that its hard in dundee at present and yet heres a load of guys putting on wav`s knowing they will struggle.Clever eh! no money to be made but a baarow load of guys putting new vehicles on .GREEDY B******S
The way forward is to get the Dickhead Trick Association to fight for the transferability of licences and/ or/ corporate licences for all (the new licences issued can be put in corporate names,thus allowing them to be transferred),surely this would be a better idea to do than start trouble with guys who you have probably sat and had a coffee with for years.
If you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen or better still come to THE VILLAGE i can always do with good drivers.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:22 pm 
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Surely transferred plates will be pointless, if the plates have no value.

I'm assuming that in time all taxis will be WAVs, so really there will not even be value in a saloon plate.

I think the point made by 'scot' is that those lads driving the hired plates, will (in the main) buy vehicles themselves, license them, and tell the old deadwood to flip off.

No longer will the few, have the many, by the doodars. :oops:

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Look you all might think i am aggresive i don't care really. To be totaly honest i only want to continue my living the way i am doing at the moment with the money i am making, if all those wav's get put on that will diminish i am only saying what a lot of my fellow op's have been saying to me. And i heard yesterday ythat you will be up the creek without a paddle as dta have decleared and objection and are following through and WILL go to court if need be i will be one paying for the pleasure. You will all be hearing very soon about it.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:54 pm 
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dundeechap wrote:
Look you all might think i am aggresive i don't care really. To be totaly honest i only want to continue my living the way i am doing at the moment with the money i am making, if all those wav's get put on that will diminish i am only saying what a lot of my fellow op's have been saying to me. And i heard yesterday ythat you will be up the creek without a paddle as dta have decleared and objection and are following through and WILL go to court if need be i will be one paying for the pleasure. You will all be hearing very soon about it.


If you are being aggressive, then so be it. Too many people in our trade just roll over and die. The more people that don't, the better.

If every taxi had to be WAV, then surely there will be less out there?

However I believe the chickens that are coming home to roost, are the fault of the existing taxi trade in your manor. Nobody seemed to moan or do anything about the hired plates. Thus you had lads waiting donkeys years, being held back by illegal activities.

Do you really think the council should just sit back, and keep on turning a blind eye?

If the working taxi trade in Dundee sorted out this mess years ago, allowed the lads on the waiting list to have plates and informed on those that were acting illegally. Then I believe we wouldn't be having this exchange of posts.


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